How Signal walks the line between anarchism and pragmatism

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• s38b35M5@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  If you are willing to use Signal, you already don’t mind a tiny userbase, so why not use Session (or maybe Matrix) and enjoy privacy, security, AND anonymity?

  Signal has always been clear that privacy!=anonymity and regards people who want both as both stupid and unusual. Its always been a weird dance to watch.

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  • eating3645@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because the ux for signal is superior and I don’t care about anonymity when I’m communicating with friends and family.

    The right tool for the right job, and signal is the right tool for general communication, but I wouldn’t use it for my virtual pals.

    Essentially, I see entirely different use cases for decentralized options like matrix, session, xmpp.

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  • themeltingclock@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I haven’t done any Signal app recruiting in my circle of contacts (in fact, I don’t think I’ve talked to anyone about it) and I have 14 contacts that have it installed at the very least. I don’t think it would be a huge push to make Signal more prevalent.

    The uphill battle is making a dent in iMessage adoption, which seems to be deeper and deeper entrenched every day.

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    • jrheronn@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Signal is by far much easier to get family/friends to use than Matrix or Session. Downloaded it to my parents phone and told them this is how you contact me.

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    • brygphilomena@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They dropped the native sms integration. IMO, that was the best tool for adoption. Make it seamless for people to move over from their native SMS messenger and people will use it. Going full closed, only signal to signal, meant I needed to use multiple messaging apps for different people. And I had to remember who is on which. It’s been a headache.

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  • HidingCat@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because you want to use it to talk to your friends, who know who you are anyway? I don't get this need to wipe yourself completely from the face of the Earth.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      IMO the issue with Signal’s lack of anonymity isn’t that your friends know who you are; it’s that Signal itself can build a graph of everybody’s contacts.

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  • Srootus@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The concern with Session is that theyre based in Australia, a country that is in the 5 eyes, and their government passed a bill forces companies to provide a backdoor when ordered to, the company cannot deny to create this, and they can’t declose that they got ordered to ether. [A great video talking about said bill] While the Session devs say their services are resilient to these threats, [see their FAQ] it’s best to remain cautious.

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    • PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

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  • dsemy@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    SimpleX is also a good alternative, though a bit immature still.

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  • BlackRose@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I just checked, there are 97 signal contacts on my phone.

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    • s38b35M5@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You, friend, are fortunate. I have about 20, but only three that could get Signal working again without me.

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  • Borgzilla@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I use Session because it doesn’t require a phone number.

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  • teolan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because the UX is horrible and they (especially matrix) have a ton of privacy/security issues that Signal doesn’t have

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  • ouigol@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Session is pretty slow in my experience, since it — as I understand it — works in a similar way to Tor. Images and videos are especially bad

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  • o_0@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Matrix is hella buggy, Session part of the lokinet weird ancap crypto scheme, XMPP is god tier

    Briar, now that’s a thingy

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• Darkhoof@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I use Signal with a few of my friends. It has enough features to replace Whatsapp, but most people just don’t care about their privacy enough to change what’s convenient and already works for them even if they have zero privacy.

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• VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Paywalled

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  • Screwthehole@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I just read the whole thing and didn’t hit one… Weird

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    • grte@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They give free access to a limited number of articles and then put up a paywall.

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  • asap@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Here you go:

    file.obsidianshare.com/639d84c1646f8322cb1ce9efce…

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  • suckmyspez@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    12ft.io

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• o_0@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I had a conversation with a cryptographer who worked for Wickr he says none of the DoD or other government agents he knew trusted Signal 🤔 - personally I use Signal with my mom or personal friends as like the bottom tier of security, because metadata is a real thing, they don’t have to actually know what you’re talking about. Just using a phone number itself tells you most everything feds need to know if they’re really after you.

  if you actually want privacy use XMPP

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