KAOSnow, a totally new take on Democracy

Submitted ⁨⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Efwis@lemmy.zip⁩ to ⁨newcommunities@lemmy.world⁩

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Join us in bringing order out of KAOS.

!KAOSnow@Lemmy.zip

KAOS = Knowledge As Our Saviour

KAOS is a way for your voice to be heard about ANY current event. We primarily use our website for this endeavour. However, we also are willing to have good conversations here, whether it’s about AI, Government or international issues, We want your voice to be heard. There will be absolutely no Doxxing or CSAM allowed, regardless of location.

This is a sister account to r/KAOSnow on Reddit.

Help us get up and running, ask your questions or state your opinions, all we ask is that you are straight forward with what your opinion is about, otherwise than that, we censor nothing on our actual website, here on Lemmy I have to abide by the rules of the Instance I’m on.

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Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
So we had our meeting this morning and made changes to the way it is handled. Please see !KAOSnow@lemmy.zip to see these changes.

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Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
No moderation means the place will eventually be full of bots and bigots, if it already isn’t made exclusively for these things already.

No thank you.

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- Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  The moderation we are talking about revolves around not changing the person post.
  
  If it’s not acceptable, such as bots posting, which we are in the process of setting up on the website, CSAM, doxxing etc are to be instantly removed and banned by IP address as well as email address.
  
  We have taken those issues into consideration and are constantly working towards that end.
  
  As for the bigot part, everyone is a bigot about something whether they know it or not.
  
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- Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  No we have controls in place to prevent, or at least greatly diminish, the proliferation of bots. There are bots everywhere even here on lemmy. It’s a fact with the internet. You all seem to think that no censorship means no moderation, which is completely untrue. we do and will have moderation, and as the usage gets bigger there where be more moderators placed. The only bots we plan to allow are the search engine spiders and AI bots (without posting abilities). When a bot does get through it will be removed through moderation.
  
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  - Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    You all seem to think that no censorship means no moderation
    
    No, we all just read the part that clearly says “no moderation of content.”
    
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hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
So. Are you going to post something or is it just a place holder?

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- Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  no its not just a place holder. I’m actually doing a little research on a topic in my mind so that I have my facts straight. One thing we do rely on is facts and sources of those facts, preferably more than once source, so that others can go and check the source themselves to make their own opinions about it.
  
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- Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I will be posting some things, as well as others. This is a completely new process that no one has tried before. Anyone can post anything they have on their minds about current events. This is a way for you to say whatever is on your mind with out it being an echo chamber. We need dialogue, society needs to start having meaningful conversations again without fear of retribution. We used to do this all the time, when the lockdowns happened its like we forgot what it was like having meaningful conversations without the hate and vitirol.
  
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  - hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I'm pretty sure something like that has been tried before. I can't remember the details, but we had some peer to peer platforms and other forums trying to establish full free speech with no censorship. And turns out they're quickly crowded by trolls, nazis and generally angry and hateful people who feel they're censored and they're looking for people who side with then online. And then we have things like 4chan or 8chan. Or platforms who claim to be free speech, but they're just far-right. Like Gab, Parler and so on.
    
    I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for. If you want something that's not an echo chamber and meaningful conversations, you're looking at heavy content moderation, and enforcing those rules. If you don't want hate, you need to crack down on it.
    
    So I don't see how that's substantially different from what we do here. But I didn't really understand what you have in mind and what kind of tech you're planning to use. I wish you good luck though. Meaningful conversations would be great.
    
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rimu@piefed.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
from https://kaosnow.com/index.php/about-kaos

believe in free speech, no moderation of content

yeah good luck with that.

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- Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Why do you say that? KAOS is not a government entity, its not paid for by governement, it is not even a blip on the radar of the government, but that is because we are still very new. We haven’t made an impact that draws attention to us, YET.
  
  As a private enterprise, we are not obligated to follow government regulations, within reason. Yes we are aware of the GDPR and we will definately censor/ban any illegal things such as doxxing and csam or similar. We aren’t even allowing photos to be uploaded. Mind you this is all on our website, not here on lemmy. Our Lemmy community WILL follow the rules of our instance at lemmy.zip
  
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- howrar@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Absence of moderation is in itself a form of censorship.
  
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  - Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    There will be moderation to prevent obviously harmful activity such as doxxing and csam amongst others.
    
    But I am curious how you see absence of moderation as a form of censorship. If you could post anything you want without any repercussions for what you post, aside from others that would downvote you or point out what they see as wrong in your post, how is that censorship? No one changes your post, except you. Once again, with the exception of the aforementioned examples, how is there censorhip?
    
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  - preussischblau@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    How do you figure? Not arguing, just interested.
    
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ada@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
To be clear, if someone is open about being racist, or sexist, or transphobic, they'll be free to try and convince other folk that racism is good actually as long as they keep it civil and don't start throwing insults?

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- Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Pleas note, we I have brought this converstation to our admin team, and we have, we hope, found a way to mitigate your concerns you brought up. Please go to the !KAOSnow@lemmy.zip community to see these changes so as to now take this up in this community. Please ask any questions or voice any concerns you may have. Your opinion matters to us.
  
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- Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  that is exactly it. Let’s start having civil conversations about these things. Maybe we all learn something new, regardless of the side of the discussion you are on. The key here is civility.
  
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  - ada@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I have zero interest in going to a place where people who want to take away other peoples rights are given a welcome mat.
    
    The people that will go there are people who want to (civilly) hate on other folk, and free speech absolutists.
    
    What you won't get, is a genuine cross sampling of perspectives and viewpoints, because it will end up being dominated by hateful voices (civil voices, but hateful). And that's what the other person meant when they said that no moderation is a form of censorship/bias in and of itself. Which is to say, you won't saving anyone any time soon, because the people who do want to save folks will be the least likely to use the spaces
    
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