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I'm pretty sure something like that has been tried before. I can't remember the details, but we had some peer to peer platforms and other forums trying to establish full free speech with no censorship. And turns out they're quickly crowded by trolls, nazis and generally angry and hateful people who feel they're censored and they're looking for people who side with then online. And then we have things like 4chan or 8chan. Or platforms who claim to be free speech, but they're just far-right. Like Gab, Parler and so on.

I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for. If you want something that's not an echo chamber and meaningful conversations, you're looking at heavy content moderation, and enforcing those rules. If you don't want hate, you need to crack down on it.

So I don't see how that's substantially different from what we do here. But I didn't really understand what you have in mind and what kind of tech you're planning to use. I wish you good luck though. Meaningful conversations would be great.

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Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
May I DM you to answer the last two paragraphs on your post.

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- hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Sure. I mean we seem to be a bit different and have different visions. So I'm not sure if I'm the correct person to take your idea to pieces and add my spin on it... That could take away from a clear vision and turn it into a mess. Maybe it's better if I do my thing and you do yours... But I'm not sure about that. My DMs are open, so feel free to DM me. I'm just not sure whether I'm able to contribute.
  
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Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
I forgot to mention, we were and still are discussing setting up a lemmy instance of our own for this, though currently I need to talk to our hosting provider to allow this to be set up. In the mean time we are using a forum for the purpose.

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Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Well co siderite g the founder has been looking at this for over 40 years and it still has not ever been accomplished, if find that hard to believe it has been tried before.

They can look all they want, doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. We are aware of the echo chamber possibility, and we are planning to put measures in to help mitigate that, which is still being worked on currently.

We will also be moderating the process to reduce the hate and vitriol. We want civil discussions, if you can have a civil discussion without hatred there will be less problems on that. And yes I know there are people who thrive on hatred, especially in politics.

Hate speech, doxxing, csam and such will be moderated, the hate speech will be watched closely. The other offenses are auto-ban completely.

We have to draw a line at what is acceptable and what is definitely illegal or direct threats of harm to individuals.

One way we are mitigating the echo chamber is we request that you show reliable links to sources to back your claim.

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- hendrik@palaver.p3x.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Thanks for the explanation. Yes, looks like the combination you have in mind might not have been tried before. We had free speech forums. Which mainly failed to achieve their goal of becoming a marketplace of ideas. And we have several platforms for public participation. To collectively collect ideas and vote on them in a democratic process. (citizenos.com adhocracy.plus consuldemocracy.org and likely several others) I think those address NGOs, municipalities, government...
  
  They're not exactly the same scope you seem to have, though.
  
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  - Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Please check our community page to see if we may have achieved what it was you were looking for us to avoid. As for the echo chamber affect, that will be caused by the user not our site. I will be posting a snippet of our LiveStream this morning as soon as I can to our community page. Please be patient with me as I am working on some new features for the site.
    
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  - Efwis@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Unfortunately you are correct with your last paragraph, and we are open to ways to help broach this issue.
    
    I do agree a lot of the free speech forums did turn into massive echo chambers. But as far as I can tell it was because of lack of proper moderation and showed that the site admins and moderators were directing the conversations to that end.
    
    Since we, meaning the people who participate as registered users, have it in our by-laws that we are apolitical and don’t choose left or right topics. We believe in the people having a voice and being heard. If you don’t like a post you don’t have to reply, we have a ranking system that will be tied into upvotes and downvotes on the subject matter. We do ask that you read the post before mashing upvote or downvote of course.
    
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