[Opinion] We Should Immediately Nationalize SpaceX and Starlink

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• AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s a dumb argument. SpaceX flourished because NASA is being destroyed by incompetent political overseers who can’t follow a long term plan to save their lives (or avoid feeding at the trough). Nationalising SpaceX would just give the idiots screwing NASA even more to screw over. Elon’s an asshole, but I’d rather not see the space program go on pause for the next fifty years. Again.

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  • teamevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The Republican way…fuck up a well working system they say it sucks and then they make it more expensive and shitter, but one rich asshole get to control it

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    • AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This has nothing to do with republicans. The fucking up of NASA was very much a bipartisan effort

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• jeena@piefed.jeena.net ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  First step: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-suggests-terminating-musks-us-government-contracts-subsidies-2025-06-05/

  The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts

  I think it's a totally reasonable thing to do.

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• Infinite@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The author wants the capabilities of SpaceX “brought into the sphere of democracy.” That sounds less like nationalisation and more like selling it to a functioning government. I wouldn’t trust Trump or his cronies to run things any more than I would Elon. Fortunately, Gwynne Shotwell is the functioning adult running the company and (mostly) managing Elon’s interference.

  Also

  Any story about SpaceX as a font of private innovation because it’s free from state interference would be hard to square with the economic reality of the many billions it’s reaped from its numerous contracts, some public and some classified, with NASA and the Department of Defense. Without that, SpaceX in anything like its current form would be unthinkable.

  Without “that” - meaning contracts to deliver services. Should they have not taken any government jobs? Does “build a new vehicle to deliver people to ISS” or “deliver satellites to orbit” count as state interference? This paragraph is idiocy. As far as I know, the only government money granted to SpaceX was ~25M from Texas to lure Starbase and Starlink production. Everything else was a contract or other performance-based funding.

  SpaceX - with reusability - has undeniably changed the space industry on a global scale, and the decrease in $/kg to orbit is the main factor in our ability to access space and the solar system. The cost hadn’t gotten meaningfully under $5,000/kg ever, with the Shuttle at $65k/kg, until Falcon 9 brought it to ~2500 and Heavy down to 1500. Starship (which has been performing successful tests with some explosive secondary goals) should get it to $200/kg. ourworldindata.org/…/cost-space-launches-low-eart…

  Fuck Trump. Fuck Musk and his drug-fueled slide into shitbaggery. Let SpaceX cook.

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  • freagle@lemmygrad.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    futurism.com/spacex-failing-starship

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    • Infinite@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Sure, there’s plenty of reporting, mostly with agendas. www.inc.com/kit-eaton/…/91195626

      Perfect? No. Meeting more primary goals than not? Yes.

      Flight 1 – Apr 20, 2023 Primary Goals: ❌ Integrated launch ❌ Stage separation Secondary Goals: ❌ Booster splashdown ❌ Starship reentry

      Flight 2 – Nov 18, 2023 Primary Goals: ✅ Hot staging ✅ Near-orbital trajectory Secondary Goals: ❌ Booster recovery ❌ Starship reentry

      Flight 3 – Mar 14, 2024 Primary Goals: ✅ Orbital velocity ✅ Propellant transfer demo Secondary Goals: ❌ Payload deployment ❌ Raptor engine relight

      Flight 4 – Jun 6, 2024 Primary Goals: ✅ Booster splashdown ✅ Starship reentry Secondary Goals: ✅ Hot-stage ring jettison ✅ Landing flip maneuver

      Flight 5 – Oct 13, 2024 Primary Goals: ✅ Booster catch with launch tower ✅ Starship splashdown Secondary Goals: ✅ High-altitude flight ✅ Flap durability test

      Flight 6 – Nov 19, 2024 Primary Goals: ✅ Booster recovery ✅ Starship reentry Secondary Goals: ✅ Raptor relight in space ✅ Daylight splashdown

      Flight 7 – Jan 16, 2025 Primary Goals: ✅ Booster catch ✅ Starship splashdown Secondary Goals: ❌ Payload deployment ❌ Harmonic resonance test

      Flight 8 – Mar 6, 2025 Primary Goals: ❌ Booster recovery ❌ Starship reentry Secondary Goals: ❌ Payload deployment ❌ Thermal protection system test

      Flight 9 – May 27, 2025 Primary Goals: ✅ Booster reuse ✅ Starship reentry (reached, failed in execution) Secondary Goals: ❌ Payload deployment ❌ Raptor relight ❌ Heat shield tile test (data collected, vehicle lost)

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• bieren@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  While I like the idea. The last thing we need to do, is give trump the power to do this.

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  • HasturInYellow@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    …he has it? That’s a power of the government. It may require more than just trump to say to do it, but he definitely has the ability to nationalize just about anything.

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• Enkers@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Honestly surprising to see the ratio here. Downvoters, I’m curious about your rationale.

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  • StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The only time the government is willing to spend money on space exploration ( or anything for that matter) is if they are trying to play a game of “Im better then you” with other nations.

    We have a public space agency in the US and they have done jack all in maned space exploration since the end of the Apollo program. And what little they have done has been massively overpriced.

    In my opinion , it’s best to have both public and commercial space flight programs. Greed in two different directions might actually accomplish something and I strongly believe that we need a STRONG space presence not just in our own solar system but in many systems throughout the galaxy for our own survival as a species.

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    • Enkers@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Interesting. Thank you for sharing your perspective.

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    • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The only time the government is willing to spend money on space exploration ( or anything for that matter) is if they are trying to play a game of “Im better then you” with other nations.

      Perhaps a more important motivation is threatening the entire planet with doomsday.

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    • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And what little they have done has been massively overpriced.

      NASA budget is nonexistent and everytime they start working on something meaningful they are forced to cancel the project due to funding cuts. It was at 4.41% of the federal spending during the peak of Apollo mission, it’s 0.3% today.

      SpaceX on the other hand enjoys those government handouts for doing nothing and reusing public tech, research and even personel (after Musk himself was able to fire those people) from NASA.

      P.S. NASA missions might cost more, but they also don’t explode as a way to “test shit”. Public reaction to that would be a lot different, no?

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  • jagged_circle@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Downvotes aren’t for disagreeing with the headline lol

    My guess is corporations or conservatives don’t like Jacobin?

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  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It is far better to dismantle these dumb grifts than to nationalize them.

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• technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We Should Immediately Nationalize Dismantle SpaceX and Starlink

  There’s nothing to be gained from continuing these military grifts.

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