To add to this, it appears that only about 15% of China’s exports go to the US. I thought it’s much more than that.
Chinese chip giants say they don't care about U.S. tariffs — many don't sell to the U.S. anyway due to existing sanctions
Submitted 6 days ago by commander@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 5 days ago
2% of China’s GDP also, so noticeable but not the knife in the side that the Whitehouse seems to think it is.
doodledup@lemmy.world 5 days ago
jaxxed@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
For this number, is it related to the Chinese government GDP numbers, or independently measured? My understanding is that the CCP use GDP differently that the West, in that they release numbers which are prescriptive estimates and goals, as opposed to statistical results.
kureta@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
Sorry for sharing an Instagram link but this beauty here. chef’s kiss.
NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 5 days ago
Loving the clarity of China’s position on this
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Ouch. Well said.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
its down to 12%
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
US warmongering has forced China into a “delete America” program with critical priority for chips. In the short term, this harms humanity and US dominance through lower market access, and lower US R&D due to less market access. In long term, it harms US dominance by forcing China to surpass them.
Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
Allowing an enemy to produce critical parts was also a non-starter for the usa though
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Enemy is entirely US’s choice. China did not deny PPE to US during covid, even if demand was larger than supply rates. Now that covid is over, PPE is imported from China again. National security can mean subsidies to allow factories to be ready to shift/ramp production, not because other nations have to be enemies, but because demand could skyrocket, and government could care about US lives. Manufacturing an enemy risks those lives.
US weapon systems rely on Chinese electronics to this day. Destroying US clean energy and EV sector will destroy domestic supply chain expansion, and retain Chinese dominance over US weapon systems, and future economy. A pure propaganda misinformation system for warmongering evil is no basis for progress or sustainability, or recognizing weaknesses that could have time to fix.
But war on China move I referred to was banning sales of US patent protected fab equipment, and advanced chips to China. That is the harm to western innovation that dooms it from loss of access to world’s largest electronic device market. Though in the long term, humanity will be benefitted from the competition from China. Just US stock market/companies will suffer from the policy.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
American manufacturers don’t buy Chinese chips because they’re really bad
Soleos@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Yeah this view is pretty dated. Like it or not, China has caught up and started leading in several industries over the last 10 years. They have the capacity, skills, and domestic demand for competitive high quality products. Their domestic chip from SIMV is only a few years behind at “5nm” which was the 2021 standard. I’m still playing modern games on a 8 year old i7. Most consumers who use their phones for social media probably wouldn’t notice much difference between a 2021 phone vs 2025 phone besides a better camera and software.
superniceperson@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
Do you have a five year old phone or CPU? Congrats, you have the same performance of Chinese chips. Except you paid 10x more
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
at least the drivers work
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 5 days ago
Huawei chips are tariff free?
vegeta@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Shroedinger’s Tariffs?
HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today 6 days ago
I think the cat is definitely dead
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
Still bouncing though.
Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Yeah but it’s being “weekend at Bernie’d” and half the country thinks it’s fine.
aleq@lemmy.world 6 days ago
If a tariff falls on a product category but no one is around to hear it, did it even make a sound?