Perplexity open sources R1 1776, a version of the DeepSeek R1 model that CEO Aravind Srinivas says has been “post-trained to remove the China censorship”.

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• Korkki@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Now that it has been “freedomized” it instead says that Israel is actually 3000+ years old and Palestinians are invaders, and Israel has the right to defend itself like chatgpt and that American style liberal democracy is the peak of human development and civilization. Don’t kid yourself that this has anything to do with truth or making it more “accurate”. Yeah just replace one set of official truths, half thrush with other set of official positions, half truths and outright lies to plug the gaps. Again, who fact checks the factcheckers? Even just out of spite I would not use any model that advertises itself as being trained to answer to the sensibilities of a western techbro liberals so that they can once more outsource their thinking to outside party, because at-least it isn’t the CCP.

  I just don’t get it man. What kind of non thinking cretin purposefully uses this kind of model?

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    My chatgpt will list the questionable human righfs record of Israel ad agree with the conclusion that they are, under the same standards and logic, likely guilty of their accused atrocities as thenlikes of China or Russia.

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• thefluffiest@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Great. Has it also removed American censorship and propaganda?

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  • DarkSpectrum@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I believe this is what was added

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• brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  That’s the great thing about open models. Censorship? All it takes is one person and a bit of cash to get rid of it.

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  • Even_Adder@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Can’t wait to try a distillation. The full model is huge.

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    • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      In the 32B range? I think we have plenty of uncensored thinking models there, maybe try fusion 32B.

      I’m not an expert though, as models trained from base Qwen have been sufficient for that, for me.

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• vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  not remove ic replace.

  Also, stop calling releasing binary blobs of weights as open source

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  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s honestly not that big a deal, as it’s not like knowing anything about how it was trained (beyond the config) would help you modify it. It’s still highly modifiable. It’s not like anyone can afford to replicate it.

    It would be nice to publish the hyperparameters for research purposes, but… shrug.

    I think a subset of the exact training data/hyperparameters would help with quantization-aware-training, maybe, but that’s all I got.

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• FrankLaskey@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I think we can all agree that modifications to these models which remove censorship and propaganda on behalf of one particular country or party is valuable for the sake of accuracy and impartiality, but reading some of the example responses for the new model I honestly find myself wondering if they haven’t gone a bit further than that by replacing some of the old non-responses and positive portrayals of China and the CPC with a highly critical perspective typified by western governments which are hostile to China (in particular the US).

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  • ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    LLMs are gigantic bias reproduction machines, so it will never be perfect.

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  • iopq@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    What part is highly critical of China? Facts can’t be critical

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    • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Listen, I’m highly critical of the CCP, but LLMs aren’t facts machines, they are make text like what they are trained on machines.

      They have no grasp of truth, and we can only get some sense of truth of what the average collective text response of its dataset (at best!).

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  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Well you can merge it with the original model, to any degree, to get any sliding scale of “bias” you want.

    Practically, though, I guess that’s not super practical, as very few have the hardware or cash to deploy a custom fill R1 themselves.

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• GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  My god, could he have chosen a name more cringe than this? Fuck.

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  • MunkyNutts@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    An attempt to appeal to U.S. conservatives maybe? You know all that 1776, 3%, ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ etc. sticker suckers.

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    • GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      From what I gather from the Perplexity CEO, he is just that type of Musk-tier cringelord, so yes, probably

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    • Beldarofremulak@discuss.online ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      “Pat’rats”

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• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  IDK, but this seems like wankery to me. Just google it if you want to know about it, the AI isn’t an “all knowing being” nor “the arbitrer of truth”.

  I have a feeling that a new logical fallacy will soon emerge (if it isn’t already widespread on certain places of the internet), that will be “X is true because the LLM said so”.

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  • fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s really an extension of “Would some really do that? Just lie on the Internet?” But now “Would AI, which is built to create content like what people post on the Internet, really just lie?”

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  • KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Seems like almost everyone understands that it hallucinates.

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• ivanafterall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Ctrl + F

  Find: Chinese

  Replace: God-damned Chinese

  New model’s ready!

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• biofaust@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I run an uncensored version on my PC since weeks, there are multiple ones on HuggingFace.

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  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Not full R1, which is developed differently than any of the distllations.

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