Obviously reporting transphobic comments to a transphobic mod isn’t going to result in any action, so I’m wondering if the admins are going to do anything about it?
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Obviously reporting transphobic comments to a transphobic mod isn’t going to result in any action, so I’m wondering if the admins are going to do anything about it?
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You know what? As a woman who’s had a sex change, I am so tired. I could not give a shit about this mods opinions or any of this topic from anybody.
It’s quite simply a topic that loses us support for emotional gut vibe reasons that have nothing to do with rationality. And for what?
I’ve never played women’s sports. Nobody trans I’ve ever met plays women’s sports because we’re all fucking afraid of it and always have been.
We are less than 1% of the population and of that 1% maybe 1% is anywhere near ballsy enough to even begin to try in this environment. It’s just not the hill anybody sane wishes to die on.
Are these people ignorant and on the wrong side of history here? Absolutely.
Have transsex people been playing sports for decades without issue and without dominating even one out of hundreds of different sports? Absolutely.
Are they just making shit up about transsex bodies based off nothing but unchecked stereotypes and ignorance because they only ever notice the most visible and non-passing ones and have no idea how many of us are stealth? 1000% you betcha.
And yet? I want everybody to shut up about it because we have far more pressing issues at hand. When it comes to women’s sports the public has made up their mind and the facts don’t matter.
We’re losing access to life saving medical care, being deplatformed, and criminalized for existing in public and y’all still think this is about pointless debates over sports.
Literally nobody in the trans community cares about this topic until conservatives discovered it was effective. Stop fighting this battle and start building networks to ensure everybody has means to survive the Nazis in coming years.
And yet? I want everybody to shut up about it because we have far more pressing issues at hand. When it comes to women’s sports the public has made up their mind and the facts don’t matter.
So do I, which is why I reported those comments to be removed, but then realised that the only mod in the community agrees, and so they wouldn’t only not be removed, but more of them would be encouraged, which I think is unacceptable, especially if the instance hosting them has rules against bigotry, which is what this is.
Literally nobody in the trans community cares about this topic until conservatives discovered it was effective.
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I wound up revising that part out on my second read. But for anyone reading this quote yes I did that in my OG post. And it’s true I just didn’t feel it flowed with the rest of what I wrote
Please explain exactly what’s so transphobic about what I said?
BTW I went and read through the studies someone sent me in that thread and turns out the graphs from those studies show that trans women are more similar to cis men than to cis women in all metrics.
go fuck yourself hope you get eaten by a crocodile you thick aussie fuck
Wow how respectful what an excellent good faith engagement of ideas. I’m so glad to see ur true colours. I have an opinion based in my real world experience and scientific journals. You call for my death. Equality.
BTW I went and read through the studies someone sent me in that thread and turns out the graphs from those studies show that trans women are more similar to cis men than to cis women in all metrics.
Which of the studies said that?
Because I’ve been reading through them myself and all I’m getting is stuff like:
This which says:
Results In this cohort of athletes, TW had similar testosterone concentration (TW 0.7±0.5 nmol/L, CW 0.9±0.4 nmol/), higher oestrogen (TW 742.4±801.9 pmol/L, CW 336.0±266.3 pmol/L, p=0.045), higher absolute handgrip strength (TW 40.7±6.8 kg, CW 34.2±3.7 kg, p=0.01), lower forced expiratory volume in 1 s:forced vital capacity ratio (TW 0.83±0.07, CW 0.88±0.04, p=0.04), lower relative jump height (TW 0.7±0.2 cm/kg; CW 1.0±0.2 cm/kg, p<0.001) and lower relative V̇O2max (TW 45.1±13.3 mL/kg/min/, CW 54.1±6.0 mL/kg/min, p<0.001) compared with CW athletes. TM had similar testosterone concentration (TM 20.5±5.8 nmol/L, CM 24.8±12.3 nmol/L), lower absolute hand grip strength (TM 38.8±7.5 kg, CM 45.7±6.9 kg, p=0.03) and lower absolute V̇O2max (TM 3635±644 mL/min, CM 4467±641 mL/min p=0.002) than CM.
And this Which says:
Key Findings Key Biomedical Findings Biological data are severely limited, and often methodologically flawed. There is limited evidence regarding the impact of testosterone suppression (through, for example, gender-affirming hormone therapy or surgical gonad removal) on transgender women athletes’ performance. Available evidence indicates trans women who have undergone testosterone suppression have no clear biological advantages over cis women in elite sport.
Both of which were cited in the articles OP linked.
higher oestrogen (TW 742.4±801.9 pmol/L
The one trans woman with negative oestrogen (-59.5 pmol/L) was an outlier and should not have been counted. doggirl-lol
Which community is that? Did you report it so that the admins can take charge?
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I reported the comments, but the sole mod openly saying they agree with them is why I made this post, assuming the reports go to them ,and they will blatantly just ignore them
I see. If the mods just tackle the reports, the admins might not see them indeed.
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Is it transphobic or just woefully ignorant? (I have a point to asking that, bear with me)
I’ve not seen them talk about trans issues before, and haven’t looked yet to see.
But, believe it or not, some people are just stupid, rather than bigoted. It’s impossible to tell the difference most of the time, but with user histories, you can check and see if they’re consistent on lemmy.
That’s the whole problem with propaganda. It works. You get enough people parroting inaccurate, or outright made up information, it spreads, and not everyone has the background to recognize how dumb it actually is.
Now, for anyone reading this that holds the opinion stated in the screen shot based on supposed facts, it is simply bullshit. Once someone begins hormone treatment, the changes begin. Those changes functionally erase the “advantages” that are claimed. It is utter tripe. The younger the person is when they begin hormonal treatment, the less time it takes for the supposed advantages to go away.
Now, here’s something else interesting. If the person is an athlete before hormones, and after, the changes from that tend to stay in place. But, and this is the key part, someone born with a functionally female endocrine system and is an athlete before and during puberty has those same advantages.
That’s right. The way bodies change from sustained athletic training are more significant than those from hormones alone.
Muscle attachment points, as a primary example. They form from using one’s body, and that doesn’t play favourites. You lift more, you get bigger attachments. You work harder, you get more.
Now, having bigger muscles does increase that. But even that changes post transition. The bones still shift and reshape. You lose that advantage over time.
So, anyone arguing that having previously been exposed to testosterone is a permanent advantage is wrong.
At most there might be a period of time where the body changes that there may be a temporary advantage. But it will go away.
You know how we know it’ll go away? Records. Go look up the world records for some sports and athletic endeavors. Trans women have competed alongside cis women plenty. There’s no trend of trans women dominating any sport. It isn’t there. Go look at weightlifting in specific, the sport where having lifted while having high testosterone is the biggest advantage possible. Where’s the trans women wrecking those records?
Yeah. Exactly. Despite there being trans lifters men and women, trans athletes simply don’t perform better as a group. Trans women lifters lose muscle mass and drop their maxes. It isn’t immediately, it does take time. But you’ll see it start in a matter of a month or two of starting anti-androgens, much less the rest of hormonal treatment.
But, and I think it important to say, I know this because I have a background as a lifter, and low level medical training. Not everyone would know this. Someone without that advantage might not immediately see the claims of advantages and not know it’s bullshit. They’d have to actually fact check the claims instead of swallowing them whole. Which is why it could be stupidity instead of bigotry.
Also, there are top level cis female athletes that have way higher testosterone naturally than other cis women, and definitely higher than trans women. So, if anything, a trans athlete up against one of them would be disadvantaged. Mind you, having higher testosterone isn’t a gimme for gold medals. Those women, even with that hormonal boost lose to women without it. So, you know, an even bigger hole in the propaganda.
Since nobody that whines about trans athletes ever bothers to suggest waiting periods before competing as their confirmed gender, you can tell they’re either an idiot, or a bigot. The issue is figuring out which, since they look the same.
Transphobia is transphobia whether the person doing it means for it to be or not.
Yes. But a transphobe is different from a transphobic idea.
The post wasn’t about someone saying something transphobic, it was about someone being a transphobe. Those are not inherently the same, which was the entire point of my comment.
I think most transphobic people are just stupid and are in fact feared from complexity. The world got too complex too fast for them and now they try to force the world to be non complex and fully predictable.
I think the main reason is lack of education about empathy…
Sure.
Ugh. I’ve been sensing a shift in tone on this instance. And the bowing out of the head admin really didn’t assuage my unease. Now this. I get the feeling I’m going to be changing instances again, which is a shame. This was a good instance for a while.
I posted here because this is the instance the mod uses, but you’re absolutely right, I missed that it wasn’t hosted on that instance, and will be making a relevant post in our own meta community, thanks
Ignorance is the enemy: failing to report ignorance begets ignorance.
Education shouldn’t cease just because the ignorant choose to remain so.
I blocked all 3 people in that conversation, and the community it came from, that doesn’t mean I’m just going to sit quietly and let a transphobic mod get their way and foster their own little transphobic community, especially since I assume it is against the rules of the instance they’re on.
We need to call out this shit publicly, not just look the other way.
Nothing says public like an anonymous internet forum
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
OK that’s the last straw for me. I am willing to give the benefit of a doubt to people, but this is the third strike for this person. So I’ve asked them to move their comm to another instance as they don’t align with our instance values.
fxomt@lemm.ee 3 hours ago
Common db0 W
UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
The right call.
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Well done!
ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
Fantastic. We can only hope that the lemm.ee team take a similar stance against this user, but I won’t hold my breath.
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
They already posted on !fediverse@lemmy.world asking for a new instance, so I guess they know that lemm.ee won’t allow it.
Just checked, from the sidebar “No bigotry”
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 3 hours ago
What .ee rule have I broken? I haven’t said anything hatefull. Do u enjoy silencing opinions u disagree with?