I think thread deletion is problematic and needs some consideration and changes

Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨MaximilianKohler@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨fediverse@lemmy.world⁩

cross-posted from: lemmy.world/post/17779430

A large percentage of threads I’ve created or participated in have been deleted. Worse is that when visiting the URL everything is completely gone.

This is much more drastic when compared with Reddit thread deletions, where the thread is there and so is the discussion. And the creator of the thread has access to their content.

The Lemmy method discourages people from participating in threads and creating high-quality content, much more so than the Reddit method.

A bunch of lively and useful discussions on Lemmy have completely disappeared. And it makes it seem like a waste of time to even contribute content here.

EDIT: I see that the “fediverse” link for posts has been removed. I posted this to lemmy.ml from a lemmy.world account and there’s no way for me to get the lemmy.ml link now. And when I crosspost it it shows a lemmy.world link instead of the lemmy.ml one. I think this should be changed [back].

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halm@leminal.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
A quick look in the modlog shows that less than a year ago moderators deleted a post you wrote called

Reddit is dangerous. The admins are out of control. Humanity needs a viable alternative. – Blog covering the Reddit admins retaliating against me

(The emphasis is mine)

Looks like you have a history of writing inflammatory posts, feeling persecuted about them being removed, and then going off on rants about it.

Some people may take a dump in public spaces, but don’t call for changes to civic statutes so that their shit can be preserved for perpetuity. Please follow that example.

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- scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It’s always the people who don’t want to admit their opinions aren’t just rejected by a platform, but by the society as a whole. There’s a reason they feel rejected, it’s because they are. We reject hateful inflammatory things at a societal level, and they feel “persecuted” when they’re called out for their bad beliefs.
  
  We don’t want them here, we don’t want them there. If the problem is following you site to site, the problem isn’t the sites, it’s your beliefs.
  
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  - kitnaht@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Weird that applies to some people and not others…I know plenty of people who’s opinions were rejected by society, and I’m told every day that I must accept their opinions…
    
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- MaximilianKohler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It’s exceedingly bizarre how many people on Lemmy rush to defend Reddit and attack other Lemmy users for anything possible.
  
  This thread had absolutely nothing to do with that, yet you somehow dug through months of mod logs to find the one thread that would allow to you attack me.
  
  “You have a history of being inflammatory towards Reddit on Lemmy! This is not acceptable behavior on Lemmy!”
  
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  - SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    “My posts keep getting deleted!”
    
    — user looks into public info to find out why your posts might be being deleted —
    
    “Shut up, r×ddit defender!!!”
    
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SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
People care way too much about stupid internet threads.

They get deleted. Yawn.

Sometimes you gotta purge some fucking Nazi shit and its easier to just dump the whole thing down the loo. Sorry, not sorry.

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- MaximilianKohler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’ve never seen “nazi shit” on Lemmy. The threads that have been deleted have all seemed on-topic with normal discussions taking place. The last one was a “what made you leave reddit?” thread with hundreds of comments.
  
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  - MrKaplan@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If you’re referring to the post Ex Redditors of Lemmy what made you come on over? What happened at Reddit that you made the switch?, their account was banned for trolling and all content associated with the account was removed.
    
    Some examples of their post titles, that likely contributed to their ban
    - African Americans (I hope that PC) have you ever gotten the N word tossed at you and how did you react or feel? - How come in most games including the community of gaming I can’t mention the word Nazi for have a civil conversation?
    
    They also had a number of other posts that seemed to be doing just fine, so it might be falling in the “stupid kid” category.
    
    The post has since been restored by a community moderator, although the user’s account on lemmy.ml is still banned: lemmy.world/post/17593614
    
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flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

EDIT: I see that the “fediverse” link for posts has been removed. I posted this to lemmy.ml from a lemmy.world account and there’s no way for me to get the lemmy.ml link now. And when I crosspost it it shows a lemmy.world link instead of the lemmy.ml one. I think this should be changed [back].

That’s how it’s always worked??? The fediverse button goes to the canonical source, which is the post on the poster’s instance. The button doesn’t show up because you’re already looking at the source.

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- MaximilianKohler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  That’s how it’s always worked??? The fediverse button goes to the canonical source
  
  Maybe it didn’t exist on posts but only comments? I see it on your comment but not the OP/thread.
  
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Nothing4You@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The “fediverse link” on a post always points to the instance of the person who posted it, not the community instance. When posting from a lemmy.world account this means the fedilink is always the lemmy.world post link.

It is only shown for content coming from remote instances in Lemmy UI 0.19.3, although a later version changed that to always show.

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- MaximilianKohler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  The “fediverse link” on a post
  
  I’m only seeing those links on comments, not the thread. Has it always been like that?
  
  “The instance of the person who posted it” seems to be reasonable for comments, but not the thread.
  
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  - Bezier@suppo.fi ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    “The instance of the person who posted it” seems to be reasonable for comments, but not the thread.
    
    I think it is not only reasonable, but better this way. The canonical server is the one the post originates from. Each server is responsible only for its own users and their content.
    
    I don’t see any difference between posts and comments either. Why is one ok and the other not?
    
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  - Nothing4You@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    it doesn’t matter whether you consider it reasonable, as it’s this way for technical reasons.
    
    when a post or comment are created they are created on the users instance. the users instance then tells the community instance about the new post/comment and the community instance relays (announces) this to other instances that have community subscribers.
    
    the fedilink is an id and reference to the original item. this unique id is known to all servers that know about this comment and it is what is used when updates to the post are distributed. except for the reference to the item on the originating instance, no instance stores information about where to find a specific post/comment on a random other instance.
    
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