Why is the current labour party in the UK considered more center left? Do you think they will pass any policies that are considered left leaning now that they have won the majority?

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I’m not from the UK, but I’ve been trying to understand more about UK politics because of the election and I’ve seen headlines saying the Starmer has been pushing the Labour party to the center. What does that mean in terms of policies he’s said he will push? Also, now that they have won an overwhelming majority, do you think the party will actually use this opportunity to push the UK more left?

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DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The media is pushing the narrative that Labour is on the left of politics as a way to fear monger and ensure his failures will be seen as failures of left wing policies, and shift the Overton window further to the right as a result, but they haven’t even been in the centre, but rather completely past it and in to mild right wing since Starmer took over and purged all the actually left leaning members from the party, and made it clear that he has zero class, or any other conscious.

His entire career in opposition has been proof that he’s nothing but a Tory in a red tie, since he didn’t oppose them on anything of any substance, and his entire election campaign was cantered on benefitting businesses, not the people of the country.

He’s gone against unions, he’s neglected health and social services, he’s ignored disabled people, he’s mocked the fight against racism, he’s made it clear over and over and over again that he’s in politics to serve the establishment, and his own career, not the country or the working class people who carry it on our backs.

So like, yay, Tories are out, but actually, we just have more of the same, only this time the veil is thicker and there is a pretence of progressiveness, that is only going to lull liberals in to a false sense of security, and push centre and right winged voters even further to the right, and leftism remains unrepresented in our parliament, because it’s too big a threat to the establishment (why Starmer was brought in in the first place - damage control after Corbyn).

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- ABCDE@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  purged all the actually left leaning members from the party
  
  This is just not true.
  
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  - DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Yeah, yeah, “not all”, only enough to make sure there isn’t even a hint of socialist influence left in the party. Also, he doesn’t have to personally have removed someone from the party, for his actions and the actions of those who would fall in line with his establishment backed agenda to affect members of the party being sabotaged out of the party or leaving because they were made to feel unwelcome.
    
    In this thread there is already evidence of his dirty, unethical, and down right bigoted tactics, you not being comfortable enough to confront it doesn’t change the reality - Labour under Starmer is a neoliberal party that is serving capitalists and the establishment, and doesn’t have a hint of socialism nor solidarity or concern for the working class left in it (because when it does prop up as enough of a threat to the status quo, the threat is removed by whatever means necessary, it’s not like he has to go far when he’s deliberately stacked the party with other bootlickers who easily tighten ranks against anyone they no longer want around).
    
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HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The previous head, Jeremy Corbyn, was socialist and had a long history of fighting for socialist causes. It would have been hard for Labour to find a leader more socialist than him amongst their MP’s.

Corbyn was also at the helm of a horrible Labour defeat in 2019.

Starmer has been compared to Blair, for better or worse. Given the Labour party’s platform, I expect a lot of the energy of this government will be to fix the damage that the Tories caused, get some new clean energy, and try to grow the economy as some former Warsaw Pact countries are creeping up to the UK’s average wage.

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- DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Corbyn was also at the helm of a horrible Labour defeat in 2019.
  
  Corbyn lost by less than 3 million votes. A “horrible defeat” is the narrative the neoliberal media wants you to follow because it makes him seems like less of a threat to the establishment than he really was.
  
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  - ID411@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    May I mention the fact that Starmers acolytes in the party were actively working to undermine Corbyn during the campaign?
    
    Leaking racist smears to the press and so on ?
    
    independent.co.uk/…/labour-files-forde-report-kei…
    
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  - Contravariant@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    If UK politicians had any sense they’d fix the voting system that let that happen.
    
    Obviously they won’t because that same system put them in power and is currently holding far-right at bay, but it would be nice.
    
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- Foni@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  What you say is better than what the Tories did, but with such a large majority they could seize the opportunity and renationalise some privatized services, improve and adequately finance those that the right was letting die, change the tax system so that the upper classes help to finance the state. You already know, things that should be normal on the left until the “third way”
  
  Like op, I’m not British and I wonder if this would be possible or do we forget that something like this is going to happen, I don’t know, if you’re from there, tell us.
  
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  - DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    They could, but aren’t going to.
    
    So far they have u-turned on every pledge they’ve made, specifically those about nationalising services, saving the health and social services from complete destruction from underfunding and privatisation, and stopping further cuts to a cruel benefits system they have no intention of addressing.
    
    Meanwhile taxing the rich more wasn’t even in their pledges, all they talk about is making Britain “better for business” and making the population less “work shy”.
    
    Anyone pinning any hope for significant change on Starmer’s blue Labour, hasn’t been paying any attention (or is out enough of direct harms way to not give a shit about those of us already at the bottom who will continue getting pounded).
    
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  - twistypencil@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Since when do neoliberals “renationalize privatized services”?
    
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frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Labour’s two headline policies are:

Green investment through a new state-owned company

A big expansion of workers’ rights

The green investment will be the biggest in the country’s history and the workers’ rights expansion will be the biggest in decades. Now, for me, those are two, necessary, excellent, leftwing policies.

I think people criticising them from the left are mainly criticising omissions: why no wealth taxes? Why not nationalise the water companies? And that’s fair enough. Labour could do more and I hope they will. But the platform is a leftwing one, and I’m happy with it, even if it could always be more leftwing.
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- Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I just want the bloody NHS fixed and houses to be affordable lol.
  
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  - frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    They’re hoping to do that, too! A cash injection for the NHS and planning reform, so more houses can get built more quickly, are both in the plan for the first 100 days. I imagine the planning reform will be in the King’s Speech, but the NHS thing should be able to happen pretty quickly. If not, it will be in the first budget.
    
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- ID411@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Which workers rights are expanding?
  
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  - frankPodmore@slrpnk.net ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    From the manifesto:
    
    banning exploitative zero hours contracts; ending fire and rehire; and introducing basic rights from day one to parental leave, sick pay, and protection from unfair dismissal. We will strengthen the collective voice of workers, including through their trade unions, and create a Single Enforcement Body to ensure employment rights are upheld. These changes will improve the lives of working people across the entire UK.
    
    Labour will also make sure the minimum wage is a genuine living wage. We will change the remit of the independent Low Pay Commission so for the first time it accounts for the cost of living. Labour will also remove the discriminatory age bands, so all adults are entitled to the same minimum wage, delivering a pay rise to hundreds of thousands of workers across the UK.
    
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Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because they were further left the last two elections and lost. The people wanted a right wing government, but the last one became so corrupt which is why Labour needed to be a comfortable party for them to vote for.

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Hello_there@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Politicsjoe is a good outlet for uk politics. Or watch John Oliver's recent episode
Essentially, the UK has had fiscal austerity for 14 years under the conservatives. To prove that labor will be 'good for business' their new platform maintains the same cuts and has tied their own hands on taxing.
So, fiscally, there wasn't much diff with the conservatives, minus some crazy tory boondoggles like tax cuts for rich and paying tons to Rwanda to deport asylum seekers.

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- r00ty@kbin.life ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I think that is indeed the best you can hope for with new labour in control over the tories. Slightly less backhanders and tax breaks for the already stupidly rich.
  
  I don't expect anything far left of centre. I say this as someone that is somewhat centre left (UK centre left to be clear, USAans don't judge me on your political compass), I don't really think I resonate too much with the current labour party.
  
  I think the thing that terrifies me, is that the tory party we had, that pushed through a no-deal brexit (when there were many other less disruptive ways to leave the union available), that has wet dreams about planes flying immigrants to Rwanda weren't right wing enough for our population.
  
  What is the tory party's solution to this going to be? I doubt it will be returning to the centre right position they occupied in the Cameron era. They either accept their death, or move further right. I suspect we'll see the latter. When we find out their new leader, I suspect it will cement their direction for us all to see.
  
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  - Hello_there@fedia.io ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The reason I got into UK politics despite not living there is the parallels with us politics. It's all that Satan spawn Murdoch's fault. But the same trends her travel there. 'remain in Mexico' and Rwanda. Tax cuts for no reason. Anti trans and gay. 'woke'. Boris Johnson and trump
    
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ID411@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s a good question. There’s nothing Left about the party at the moment. They are neoliberals who have already sold workers down the river to the Corporations, walking back basic promises for worker protections etc.

Policy wise, there is not much to look forward to. We can hope for more integrity and competence, but it’s slim.

The risk I see, is that they flop around in the centre, don’t deliver anything for voters, and leave the door open to right wing loons in one or two cycles from now.

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