A service provider is not responsible for the content people publish on their service. But if they knowingly allow criminals to publish and refuse to cooperate with courts and police, they become responsible.
Comment on Arrest of Pavel Durov, Telegram CEO, charges of terrorism, fraud, child porn
essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
So, wading in here with a gut reaction and no nuance, he’s charged with all these crimes because the platform he runs has them being organized between its users?
Who do we arrest if a crime is organized via phone call on T-Mobile’s network, or via mail?
Is it a case of cooperation, where Telegram is completely refusing to help, or is it just a case of “encryption bad, privacy bad” from the French government?
funtrek@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
But the level of cooperation required means they have to break eee to remain in the clear. Doing that means they lose almost all reason to exist in the first place. This is a no-win scenario.
Pieresqi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
What e2ee ? Telegram group chats are not encrypted.
HarriPotero@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Telegram chats are encrypted.
Only “secret chats” are fully e2ee, though.
0x0@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
Is it a case of cooperation, where Telegram is completely refusing to help, or is it just a case of “encryption bad, privacy bad” from the French government?
On the same disclaimer, I’m betting on the latter.
themarty27@lemmy.sdf.org 3 weeks ago
Allegedly the former. By “allegedly”, I mean that Telegram is definitely uncooperative in moderation of illegal content, the alleged part is that that is the motivation behind the arrest. I also read somewhere that he was accused of tapping into Macron’s manager’s communications, but I can’t find the article and I don’t know how reliable that statement is.
THX1138@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
also read somewhere that he was accused of tapping into Macron’s manager’s communications, but I can’t find the article and I don’t know how reliable that statement is.
So in turn… your comment is just as unreliable.
1984@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
I don’t know anything about this but when USA calls someone a terrorist, it’s always about money or power in some form.
essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
In this case it was France, not the USA.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You do agree that America bad though, right?
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Do you think those racist colonizers are any different from usa?
AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
I guarantee you, T-Mobile does not hesitate to hand over any and all data they have to the government. And they don’t encrypt shit, as evidenced by their many many data breaches.
The postal service is from a different era, and has legal protections I wish online equivalents had. Logically they should. Realistically they probably never will.
Zwiebel@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
In Germany those leagacy protections have long been breached