Comment on How do people in this day in age become nazis/neonazies sexist or even incels when there is so much knowledge against it? Do they get anything out of being that way?

• Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The biggest reason support groups for men aren’t well supported, is due to men enforcing the ideas of stoic machismo onto men. This leads to numerous things, one is a lack of support for men who are struggling, failing, lonely, whatever. Men aren’t allowed to discuss their feelings because men have created a society that looks at them as losers for doing so. This is, very slowly, changing though.

  The problem with a lot of men’s right advocacy is that is really does end up being misogynist. Most men’s right spaces I have encountered want to blame women for being lonely, for failing to make a family, etc. Meanwhile it is men that have had the primary hand in create society, and it has been that way for thousands of years. We can’t really affect change if we don’t recognize that this is a bed that we made. If we are not happy lying in it, then we need to change, not women. I am also saying not saying women are just perfectly fine. Clearly everyone can have serious negative issues due to life. However, as it stands, the problems we believe are brought on by society, are the constructs of men.

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  • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We can’t really affect change if we don’t recognize that this is a bed that we made.

    The problem is the men that are struggling generally aren’t the same men that made the bed.

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Obviously, however that doesn’t make it not a problem with men. We still need a collective introspection, and course correction.

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      • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        How do you propose we bring this change about about? The one’s who need to do it have no incentive. The rest of us can sit and think about things and blame ourselves for being men all we want but it won’t change anything. I can encourage and support my peers all day long but it won’t help them be more successful in life or get women to like them romantically because I have no social capital either.

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  • damnedfurry@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    Men aren’t allowed to discuss their feelings because men have created a society that looks at them as losers for doing so.

    The implication here, that societal norms are created and maintained by only men, and therefore any aspects of it that affect men negatively deserve to be blamed on them, is one of the most pervasive anti-male sentiments that people try to fly under the radar with. Women have at least as much (arguably more) influence on societal norms and conventions, as men do.

    This entire comment is teeming with this undertone; that is, until the end, when they come out and just say ‘all the bad stuff is men’s fault’ at the end, lol.

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I didn’t say only by men, I said men have had most of the control through out history, so they have, by far, the greatest influence

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  • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    And women spaces are allowed to blame men but they dont get closed

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    • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, there are instances where men’s support groups have shut down, due to misogyny, and there are women’s support groups that did not, despite being misandrists. Guess who is the primary factor in the creation of this society in which this happens?

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      • drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s leftist groups that shut them down. Not defending the right, but that is what it is.

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      • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You missed it lol

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