Do you ben based on voting behaviour?
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shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 4 weeks ago
Hey, Lemmy admin here. If I ban an anonymous account, does the account it’s tethered to also get banned?
can@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 4 weeks ago
If the same account is voting in the same direction on every single post and comment in an entire community in a matter of seconds while contributing neither posts nor comments? Yes, vote manipulation.
If one user is following another around, down voting their content across a wide range of topics? Yes, targeted harassment.
perviouslyiner@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Wouldn’t banning the voting half of the pseudonymous account not fix the immediate issue, or is it necessary to ban the associated commenting account without assistance from their instance admin?
shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 4 weeks ago
Well, doesn’t that fly in the face of federated autonomy and privacy?
On one end, if it’s my instance and I want to ban a user, I want the whole fucking user banned – not just remove their ability to vote anonymously. If one of my communities or users is being attacked, it’s my responsibility to react. If I can’t remove the whole problem with a ban, then I have to remove the whole problem with a de-federation. (A thing I fundamentally don’t want to do.)
On the other, if some other admin says, “one of your users is being problematic, please tell me who they are,” I’m going to tell that other admin to fuck right off because I just implemented a feature that made their votes anonymous. I’m not about to out my users to some rando because they’re raining downvotes on MeinHitler69@nazi.hut.
It’s a philosophical difference of opinion.
can@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
I think a ban based on those criteria should apply to main acct but I’m not sure how it’s implemented.
doctortran@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Sure, but by the same token, mods are just as capable of manipulation and targeted harassment when they can curate the voting and react based on votes.
On reddit, votes are only visible to the admins, and the admins would take care of this type of thing when they saw it (or it tripped some kind of automated something or other). But they still had the foresight not to let moderators or users see those votes.
Complete anonymity across the board won’t work but they’re definitely needs to be something better than it is now.
shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 4 weeks ago
mods are just as capable of manipulation and targeted harassment when they can curate the voting and react based on votes
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
I’m speaking as an admin, not as a mod. I own the servers. I have direct access to the databases. When law enforcement comes a’knockin’, it’s my ass that gets arrested. I have total control over my instances and can completely sever them from the fediverse if I feel it necessary. Mods are mall cops that can lock posts and deal with problem users one at a time.
On reddit, votes are only visible to the admins, and the admins would take care of this type of thing when they saw it (or it tripped some kind of automated something or other)
There are no built in automations. Decoupling votes from the users that cast them interferes with my ability to “take care of this type of thing.”
Socsa@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Is that really harassment considering Lemmy votes have no real consequences besides feels?
rimu@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
No but perhaps it should!
PieFed lacks an API, making it an unattractive tool for scripting bots with. I don't think you'll see any PieFed-based attacks anytime soon.
shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 4 weeks ago
What about PieFed-based shitty humans?
rimu@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
PieFed tracks the percentage of downvotes vs upvotes (calling it "Attitude" in the code and admin UI ), making it easy to spot people who downvote excessively and easy to write functionality that deals with them. Perhaps anonymous voting should only be available to accounts with a normal attitude (within a reasonable tolerance).
shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 4 weeks ago
Wow your documentation is so much better than ours.
can@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
So no app?
rimu@piefed.social 4 weeks ago
Kind of but technically, no. Please see https://join.piefed.social/docs/piefed-mobile/
Azzu@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Do you really think it would matter to a malicious botter if they have a documented API or simply look at the requests the browser makes?
GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
If the pseudo account is banned for it’s vote choices, does that really address the issue of vote-banning?