Even without hamas, israel will continue the occupation, steal their land, kidnapp, kill and rape palestinians
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Johanno@feddit.org 1 month agoAs long as the Hamas exists there will be no end to this war. Hamas is not going to compromise on any of their goals. One of those goals is to kill each jew.
So this war will end with the death of Hamas and their followers or once every jew is dead.
small44@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
One of those goals is to kill each jew.
Can you cite a source for that or are you just repeating what Netanyahu told you on state TV?
Johanno@feddit.org 1 month ago
Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It doesn’t say it on the 1988 charter either. It never said it.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Wow a zio is lying? I’m shocked.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
It’s anti-semitic to conflate judaism with zionism. Fuck off with that nonsense.
Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 1 month ago
Because it’s totally possible to eliminate Hamas, just like how we eliminated the Taliban and the Viet Cong. Guerilla groups like this are fueled by war, especially ones with this many atrocities against civilians. If the war isn’t going to stop until Hamas is gone get ready to either genocide Palestine or get in a never ending quagmire, pretty easy to guess what netanyahu’s government prefers.
Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That’s the type of argument that I used to buy into. I don’t anymore, because it has become abundantly clear that Israel’s attitude to Palestinians is exactly the same as Hamas’ attitude to Israel.
Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Look for yourself, that’s not the case.
Hamas 1988 Charter and Revised 2017 Charter
The 1988 Charter, which is unreasonable for wanting Sharia Law and belief in the antisemitic conspiracy theory of the Elder Protocols of Zion, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. Hamas wants an end to Israel as an Apartheid State, not an extermination of all Israelis. Under Ahmed Yassin in the 1990’s, truces were offered in exchange for Israeli to withdrawal from Gaza and the West Bank to the 1967 borders. The 2017 Revised charter explicitly accepts a Two-State Solution of the 1967 Borders. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised charter.
There will be no end to the conflict until the end of the Occupation and Apartheid. Israel has repeatedly refused any permanent ceasefire. Instead they executed the principal negotiator on foreign soil. While they have perpetually delayed any genuine ceasefire, they have ruthlessly killed tens of thousands of children, hundreds of journalists, and even their own hostages. They have repeatedly displayed Palestinians in Gaza, bombed schools, Refugee camps, places of worship, historical sites. They have starved the entirely of Gaza more than even before Oct 7th, in which the majority of Gazans were food insecure due to the blockade.
This has been nearly an entire year of genocide. Make no mistake. Israel is the obstacle to a ceasefire, not Hamas.
History of peace process - The Intercept
“A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Fixed it for you, genocide apologist.
Johanno@feddit.org 1 month ago
I didn’t excuse any of the actions by any of war participants. I am just saying that the war probably won’t end until one is successful with their genocide. I don’t like how Israel is killing mostly innocent people and I don’t support the actions of Hamas either.
archomrade@midwest.social 1 month ago
You certainly seemed to be placing responsibility on just one of those participants.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Imagine “both-sidesing” a genocide. There’s no “genocide” against zionism. It’s a cult not an ethnic group.
Jews, roma, queers, and many other people would certainly have “genocided” the nazis during ww2, right? So I’m sure you feel bad for nazis.
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They’re also forcing the small number of Palestinian children who they left alive into a feeling of rage and intense hatred. A feeling that will only build up over their lives until all they want is to destroy Israel.
Which just gives Israel more self justification for their actions, which they would love to have.
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Why the fuck would you even think that Hamas is committing Genocide?
Please, justify that claim to me
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Well for one thing, your insistence on calling it a war with two active participants is gross minimizing of the ACTUAL role of Israel, which is that of one of the biggest and most advanced militaries in the history of humanity systematically eradicating a civilian population and framing it as self defense.
More fundamentally dishonest framing making Hamas appear many times stronger than they are, thus making it seem like Israel is fighting for its survival when what it’s doing is systematically eradicating a civilian population
Fixed that for you and neither do I.
Me neither, but you’re treating them as of they’re in any way the equals of Israel, or even in control of the outcome of anything.
You can play innocent all you want, but whether it’s on purpose or not, your framing makes untrue assumptions that skew the picture far away from anything even REMOTELY resembling reality.