Comment on Hyundai and Kia car thefts fall sharply after software upgrade, study finds

• AceBonobo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  A lot of smart key cars are vulnerable to relay attacks. It’s not a solved security issue by any means.

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  • Grippler@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    AFAIK they’re not anymore vulnerable than central locking systems

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    • msage@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes they are, because keyless listens to the car asking for authorization, so you can amplify the car signal hoping the key is not too far off, and unlock the car without any other work.

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nobody is fucking doing that, though! This isn’t a “oh I will hack this person using a relay attack” attack, it’s some dumb kids breaking into cars using physical measures. They are NOT going to be using a RELAY ATTACK

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    • OutsizedWalrus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They are. It’s not incredibly common, but it’s not rare.

      My coworker had his car stolen from his driveway. He believes it was a relay attack.

      That being said, it’s super easy to mitigate by putting your keys in a metal bin.

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    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Challenge Accepted

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• RandomGen1@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  All keyless start kias and hyundais are/were immune to the Kia boys trick

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  • Grippler@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So what was the exploit then? They could get in to the car without the key?

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    • Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No engine immobilizer was the ultimate issue. And from what I understand, it was just an issue with models sold in the US, so all this misery was caused by a manufacturer’s cost saving measure.

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    • PriorityMotif@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, by breaking the window. Then they rip out the ignition cylinder and turn the electrical switch just like on old cars. They didn’t put any kind of electronics into the key to prevent this from happening. Most keys from about 1999+ have an NFC type “chip” in them that prevents the car from starting without a key that is programmed to the car.

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      • Grippler@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Aah, so it actually has absolutely nothing to do with keyless access and driving like most seem to complain about.

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• barsquid@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Still, it would be cool if they didn’t charge hundreds of dollars for a replacement key that costs them a couple bucks.

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• Raiderkev@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Til someone uses flipper to clone your key n jack your shit

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  • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s…not how rolling codes and tight timing requirements work. There are almost zero keyless entry car models that can be unlocked, let alone started, with hardware at the sophistication level of a flipper.

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    • Raiderkev@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah I did a little homework after I made the comment n realized I was wrong. Didn’t get a chance to go back n remove or fix it.

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      • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mainly pushed back because the Flipper Zero is an amazing toy to teach novices young and old about the basics of radios, computing, and cryptography. But they are facing backlash around the world from uneducated, reactionary, “thing of the children” mouth breathers and you shouldn’t give those chucklefucks any more ammo in their misinformation belt.

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  • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re an insane person if you think KIA BOIZ are using a fucking flipper and not opportunistically attacking parked cars hahahaha

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  • Grippler@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That’s no different than if you had central locking and a douche nearby to intercept it as you lock/unlock it. Risk of this actually happening to you is so slim, it’s not an issue in real life.

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