Comment on More than 100 arrested in London as violence flares after Southport stabbings

• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  “Breaking the law and getting arrested for it is literally 1984”

  Do you even know what being in Contempt of Court is?

  Do you think, for example, that not turning up to court shouldn’t go against you? Or purposely trying to derail the trial? Or defying court orders? Or disclosing details of an ongoing court case, risking the entire case being dismissed?

  I suppose you must love people like Tommy Robinson, who has on multiple occasions been charged with contempt of court? Is he “based”? Is it Orwellian to bring criminal charges to him?

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  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I agree with Tommy Robinson being charged in contempt of court because I disagree with his views.

    I disagree with JSO members being charged in contempt of court because I agree with their views.

    Because the former’s views are racist vile shit, but the latter’s views are well intentioned calls for reform.

    The two are in fact, not equal, and treating them as such, judging them only by how well they play the system we all know is designed to benefit the status quo is putting that system onto a pedestal of perfection and ignoring all nuance.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You literally just accused me of this and then you admit to actually it being your base belief structure. God you’re obnoxious.

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      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Never accused you of this, that was another user.

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I agree with Tommy Robinson being charged in contempt of court because I disagree with his views.

      That’s not how courts work, and it’s not how laws work. It shouldn’t be done based on feels.

      I disagree with JSO members being charged in contempt of court because I agree with their views.

      They explicitly said they would rather people in ambulances die than let them through. Do you agree with that?

      Because the former’s views are racist vile shit, but the latter’s views are well intentioned calls for reform.

      Killing people is fine?

      The two are in fact, not equal, and treating them as such, judging them only by how well they play the system we all know is designed to benefit the status quo is putting that system onto a pedestal of perfection and ignoring all nuance.

      You can’t just say “no the law shouldn’t apply to you because I like you”. That sounds like the way some fascist shithole would be run.

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      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        That’s not how courts work, and it’s not how laws work. It shouldn’t be done based on feels.

        Fee-fees != Morality, context, nuance

        They explicitly said they would rather people in ambulances die than let them through. Do you agree with that?

        It’s a shitty situation. They are not being listened to, what are they supposed to do? Idk I’m not them I can’t unpack all that, but somehow I doubt they have genuine contempt for random people in ambulances.

        Killing people is fine?

        Depends. In self-defense? Yeah, absolutely. Are they Nazis? Yeah go for it man. Landlords? Geez wait for me! Oil execs? Wait wait, slow down, let me grab my S&W.

        You can’t just say “no the law shouldn’t apply to you because I like you”. That sounds like the way some fascist shithole would be run.

        Well we are in a fascist shithole and it’s not run like that so checkmate redditor.

        The problem is that when you let only bad guys use hypocrisy, they win.

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• echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  My God you are utterly pathetic individual. You actually think that your personal opinion is the same as objective reality. Either you have an ego the size of a small continent or you don’t actually understand what you’re talking about.

  I honestly suspect it to be the latter, your response to me was basically copy paste eco warrior bullshit. None of it has any real recognition of the challenges faced by changing, or any real desire to moderate or come to some kind of mutual agreement. All it is is pronouncements with your nose in the air firmly telling everybody how utterly scummy they are they don’t follow your belief structure.

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  • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I don’t actually really care that much about the climate and I’m pro-natural-exploitation so long as the spoils of it are shared evenly amongst the proletariat (present and future, so including some degree of preservation), but if some pathetic centrist system-defender wants to label me an eco-warrior I’ll wear it with pride.

    challenges faced by changing

    Aww, profits go down? What a shame. Degrowth would be such a bad thing what will I do without the AI crypto meta verse being made in 2 years :(

    any real desire to moderate or come to some kind of mutual agreement.

    A mutual agreement between a rapist and a victim of rape is not a compromise of a rapist being allowed to “rape a little bit” lmao it is an acknowledgment that one party is 100% right, and the other is absolutely fucking wrong.

    All it is is pronouncements with your nose in the air firmly telling everybody how utterly scummy they are they don’t follow your belief structure.

    I don’t really care if you don’t believe this shit, I think you should consider it, my zealous advocatry for one side I believe is right is not a moral condemnation of opposing and especially not more moderate-but-broadly-in-agreement individuals, it is a condemnation of the system.

    The le evil socialists that comprise little more than half of Gen-Z in the UK aren’t out to get some slobby middle manager’s Toyota Camry, he’s just part of a system, they’re there for those who embezzled billions to actively enforce the system.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      A mutual agreement between a rapist and a victim of rape is not a compromise

      If you have to descend to erroneously equating the situation to rape then you’ve lost the argument. You cannot rely on an emotional response to an intellectual exercise it’s not only dishonest it’s also unhelpful.

      The world is in the state it is in not because some evil person decided to be evil one day but because of a natural development of the human condition. We can’t all go back to living in caves that wouldn’t work, we can’t sustain the current population sitting around campfires and singing camping songs. So unless your advocating for mass genocide I don’t really understand what you want here.

      I would prefer to live in the real world and be a realist, I want the world to improve, but I don’t believe that the way to improve it is to be an unmoving obstacle. Doing that is counterproductive to your own argument anyway because everyone will just get fed up with you and eventually ignore you.

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      • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        erroneously equating

        en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

        emotional response

        And where did I mention emotional responses?

        The world is in the state it is in not because some evil person decided to be evil one day but because of a natural development of the human condition.

        I somewhat agree, but it’s not so much a question of nature and the human condition as a question of material circumstances and class warfare.

        We can’t all go back to living in caves that wouldn’t work, we can’t sustain the current population sitting around campfires and singing camping songs. So unless your advocating for mass genocide I don’t really understand what you want here.

        Ah yes the two options boring cyberpunk dystopias and hunter-gatherer. No in-between. None at all. /s

        would prefer to live in the real world and be a realist, I want the world to improve, but I don’t believe that the way to improve it is to be an unmoving obstacle

        But you just said that you don’t even understand what kind of world people want these days. I’m all for being effective, but it doesn’t seem like you believe in the possibility of structural change we need.

        Doing that is counterproductive to your own argument anyway because everyone will just get fed up with you and eventually ignore you.

        Not how it works at all historically.

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    • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Based

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