I feel like no true scotsman is one of the most misused fallacies
x is not y because it claims to be y
if I said that true scotsmen are from scotsland and/or their parent(s) are scottish, that is NOT a no true scotsman
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RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
since the lemmy tankies love to quote fallacies so much
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf 3 weeks ago Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
You just made an enemy for life!
slickgoat@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Except Marx laid out specific conditions for communism and none have been met by regimes who claim the title.
No person should use the name communism as a slur, and no person should claim to be a communist until they have at least read Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto.
Both sides might just leave it alone.
Taleya@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Ah, so the only real communism is marxism?
slickgoat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Once again, Marx did not describe Marxism. Other people did for their own ends.
All Marx did was examine capitalism and compare it to pre-capatalist societies. For instance, a shoemaker could once feed his family for a five day week on making two sets of boots. A factory owner sets up and employs him and he now makes parts of 22 pairs of boots - working 6 days a week for the same money. That is and observation and a critique. He said that all this did was exploit his labour and transfered his monetary value to the factory owner. Furthermore, this situation was unnecessary and society would EVOLVE away from capital-based labour to a social-based way of living. I’m not saying that he was right or wrong. Inherent in all this was seizing the means of production, but not necessary by or for state control.
Marx also got a lot wrong by his own admission. He never understood why England didn’t fall to revolution in 1848 (for instance) because he thought that the time was ideal.
All I’m really saying is that throwing around these terms may not reflect the reality and that time must be spent coming to grips with them. It can be really rewarding, but that might be just me?
Zombie@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Taleya, I think, is alluding to the fact there are also non-Marxist forms of communism.
For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_ideologies#Anarchist_communism