Oops, never mind, you don’t even get the $10.
Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
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xantoxis@lemmy.world 3 months ago
TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 3 months ago
Did anyone actually die because of it? I couldn’t find any reports on that. Maybe that’s just because Google is useless, idk
Darrell_Winfield@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Seriously doubt it. Elective surgeries were likely cancelled, which could certainly prolong suffering for some, but life saving surgeries can absolutely happen and do without computers.
xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
It’s really hard to know for sure. Some percentage of elective surgeries or procedures end up detecting something life threatening. If the canceled procedures were rescheduled promptly then the outcomes probably haven’t changed in a meaningful way. But in the US, stuff is booked out months in advance so it may be impossible to get everyone rescheduled for something in the next week or two.
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
That’s really hard to evaluate.
There were almost certainly a meaningful number of deaths in but a single weekend is a short enough sample that it’s hard to say confidently without a lot of data. Stuff like temperature and air quality affects death rates, as does stuff like “it’s already been hot for a week and the patients who were most vulnerable to heat already died”. And there were a lot of tests and scans that were cancelled (or at least delayed) that would have caught something, or patients that couldn’t get admitted who should have been, or a whole host of other things that are hard to measure.
Basically, there’s enough actual variance and pseudo variance through factors that are hard to measure that it would take a pretty big swing to be definitive. But purely on the basis that quality of care is correlated to death rate and quality of care was meaningfully degraded, the reasonable assumption would be that there were some, even if providing data to back it would be extremely difficult.
JCreazy@midwest.social 3 months ago
I’ve heard this a lot but haven’t seen any mention of anyone dying. Do you have a source?
Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 3 months ago
Even if this was true, get your facts straight before you spout bullshit:
THE OFFERINGS AND CROWDSTRIKE TOOLS ARE NOT FAULT-TOLERANT AND ARE NOT DESIGNED OR INTENDED FOR USE IN ANY HAZARDOUS ENVIRONMENT REQUIRING FAIL-SAFE PERFORMANCE OR OPERATION. NEITHER THE OFFERINGS NOR CROWDSTRIKE TOOLS ARE FOR USE IN THE OPERATION OF AIRCRAFT NAVIGATION, NUCLEAR FACILITIES, COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS, WEAPONS SYSTEMS, DIRECT OR INDIRECT LIFE-SUPPORT SYSTEMS, AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL, OR ANY APPLICATION OR INSTALLATION WHERE FAILURE COULD RESULT IN DEATH, SEVERE PHYSICAL INJURY, OR PROPERTY DAMAGE.
Petter1@lemm.ee 3 months ago
LoL
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Source?
Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
[deleted]SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 3 months ago
If the system being cripple cost lives, that’s a failure of your procedures and systems.
It shouldn’t take hours to override the system, why wasn’t someone on staff who was rained on the system? Why weren’t paper charts available sooner?
If a crash like this cost lives, that’s your own negligence, not a computer glitches.
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 months ago
So a simple power outage or broken networking hardware would be enough to kill people in your hospital?…
Womble@lemmy.world 3 months ago
There’s good reason that hospitals have their own backup emergency generators. A blackout absolutely would kill people.
lemmyng@lemmy.ca 3 months ago
The patients or their families don’t even get the gift card, that goes to the hospital.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Man if a hospital gets crippled by a computer glitch, there’s something seriously wrong.
People don’t seriously believe this crap do they?
Sendpicsofsandwiches@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Your chart is stored on windows computers. The drug dispensing systems run on windows computers. Imaging (xray, ultrasound, CT, MRI) runs on windows machines. If a hospital used crowd strike, all of those go down. Source: i work at a major trauma center that was affected and took several hours to respond. OR, ER and ICU were completely frozen for several hours before they could pivot to paper charting. There aren’t paper backups of every chart so orders that weren’t already under way were also almost always delayed pending a verbal order from the physician.
SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 3 months ago
If they aren’t printing paper already pretty sure they are being negligent of the current legislation. They have to be be able to work through minimal power and services already, and they have to be ready for a cyber or terrorist attack.
Sounds like your unit, if you eve work for one, is negligent in its operation.
GeneralVincent@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Nope, wife works at a hospital and they don’t have a paper backup of everything. They were affected by the outage and it was apparently a pretty tough night.
They can still work, but there obviously will be a serious delay switching to paper everything. You might want to look into the legislation that you’re thinking of to see what it specifically says.
And I’m pretty sure there are ways to prevent what happened that have nothing to do with having medical professionals chart everything on both a computer and on paper. That just sounds really inefficient.
essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Why add the “if you even work for one” part? You think this person just made that up to comment here? People do things. People who do things are online. People who are online can comment. You’re giving serious old “r/nothingeverhappens” vibes.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Do you actually work for a hospital? None of the clinics I’ve done IT for have ever done full paper charts. In fact, that vast majority of them actively pushed to do everything digitally to save paper (and were in process of converting paper to digital charts and archiving all paper charts).
Just about every one uses something like Epic to do all charting. The closest I’ve found are for exams and specialist appointments where they have to do a lot of writing or drawing on silhouette to not physical issues.
RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Citation needed.
I’ve seen reports of hospitals delaying non-essential and elective surgeries, but no reports of emergency care being impacted
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Yup, the same happened during the various COVID waves. When there are more patients than they can reasonably provide care for, they triage and ensure those with the greatest need get seen.
btmf@lemmy.world 3 months ago
My wife said that the nurses’ computers were down in the neonatal ICU that she works with. So they had no access to any patient’s medication lists or dosages during the outage.