I mean they literally were talking about multiple ways. Someone could hit a stereo control and spike volume while turning the wheel which causes a huge break in concentration leading to an accident. That is absolutely possible and could be extremely dangerous in the right situation.
Comment on Capacitive controls could be the cause of a spate of VW ID.4 crashes
blarth@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
How would these be causing crashes? The ID.4 has a few cruise control buttons on the left side of the steering wheel. They are push buttons, but you can swipe the speed up or down to change it to the next 5 MPH. Once again, this seems like people not wanting to take responsibility for their own lack of attention while driving and blaming it on the tech in the vehicle.
iamjackflack@lemm.ee 2 months ago
blarth@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
The stereo causing someone to crash the car? That’s just Darwin at work.
iamjackflack@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Not really at all. Your view is incredibly wrong. Just because you believe your high level of intellect makes it impossible for you, you may be forgetting the legion of morons and old people out there driving. Is 100% entirely possible someone could be turning a corner and accidentally does something to cause a distraction and run someone over because they instantly look down away from the road.
Regardless of the persons intelligence, it absolutely can and almost guaranteed has happened numerous times over humans driving careers. The button style just makes these situations easier to take place.
blarth@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
Keep finding your axe against capacitive buttons, I don’t like them either. However, the ID.4 is most definitely not causing more people to crash than other cars. People can accidentally swipe touch controls on steering wheels, too.
Ibuthyr@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Lol, this sort of shit also comes in ICE vehicles. The only reason this is more predominant in EVs is because some braindead MBAs think EVs need to somehow be more “futuristic” and tactile buttons are too old-school for them. How is it difficult to fathom that in certain situations this can lead to accidents?
blarth@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
I’m not defending capacitive touch in cars. I don’t like it either. I’m just saying that it being blamed for an accident is silly to me.
StThicket@reddthat.com 2 months ago
I’ve got a ID4 and they are all capacitive buttons. It makes a tactile vibration when engaged.
I hate my car. Nice to drive, but awful to use.
blarth@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
I have one too. The only part of the cruise control system that is capacitive is the speed up and down. Love it.
Zron@lemmy.world 2 months ago
According to the article there is a “resume” button for the cruise control.
No idea because I don’t own one of these, but if it’s true that’s insane.
I’ve driven a lot of cars from a lot of different manufacturers, and have never encountered a resume button that works how the article describes, where it will accelerate you to whatever the last cruise control speed was.
dgriffith@aussie.zone 2 months ago
that works how the article describes, where it will accelerate you to whatever the last cruise control speed was.
That’s what that resume does normally?
That is:
- You switch on and activate cruise control
- You’ve tripped it while active by pressing the brake
At this point cruise control is still “hot” and pressing resume will turn the cruise control back on, usually with a speed interlock so you can’t activate it at a dead stop.
If the car has “one pedal driving” then inadvertent activation could be pretty surprising, and would require you to lift your foot off the accelerator and hit the brakes. Coupled with the rocket-ship acceleration of most EVs this could easily cause an accident I guess.
Zron@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Never been in a car with such a feature, as it seems inherently dangerous to me.
Every car I’ve been in, when you accidentally disengage the cruise, you just hit cruise again and it re-engages at whatever speed you slowed down to, then you adjust back to what you want.
Having the car suddenly accelerate without deliberate input just doesn’t seem wise.
Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Can confirm, my car has the following cruise control buttons:
On/off - res/+ Cancel - set/-
The on/off button arms or disarms cruise control entirely. With it armed and no speed set, set/+ will set the current speed as the target speed. With no speed set, the only other button that does anything is the on/off button, which disarms the system.
With a speed set:
On/off will still complete disarm the system Cancel will remove the set speed, but keep the system armed Tapping the brake will pause the cruise control Res/+ will increment the speed by one mph, or resume cruise at the previous set speed if cruise has been paused Set/minus will decrement the mph by 1, or if held pause the cruise control until it’s released.
For the most part this works fine. I don’t use the resume function, like you said it can be a bit harrowing if you’re not certain exactly what speed is set, and my car is over a decade old - it doesn’t have that feature. But, critically, it’s not a fucking CAPACITIVE BUTTON, and I’ve never accidentally hit it once.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 months ago
That’s how every cruise system I’ve ever used works.
Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Wait a minute. There are SWIPE CONTROLS on the steering wheel that adjust the cruise control speed by 5 mph increments? And we don’t think that’s problematic? I’m either misunderstanding the controls or not sure how that seems like a good idea at all
Lulzagna@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ya, even my Jettas physical buttons only increase the speed by 2km
blarth@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
It’s fine. Making a mountain out of a molehill.
Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Sure, I totally can’t see someone swiping on their steering wheel, say, shuffling across it to… I dunno, turn it? And either jetting forward because they just bumped it from 55 to 75 over the course of a turn, or suddenly slowing, probably without brake lights. Swipe on a steering wheel has got to be the worst car idea I’ve heard in a while, and I’ve heard some bad ideas.
Again, unless I’m misunderstanding the controls, which I am open to the possibility of. Please, if this is the case, let me know.
blarth@thelemmy.club 2 months ago
Cruise control speed changes don’t rapidly accelerate or decelerate the vehicle, much like any vehicle. IMO, if someone is too addled to handle that state change, someone should take their keys from them.
Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Modern cruise control systems are smart enough to not accelerate in a corner, regardless of what they are set to, and tapping the brake will cancel them.
I don’t think this is as much of an issue as you think.