I actually think habitable planets in the Star Trek universe are pretty rare. That is the easiest explanation as to why they go so far out of their way to not destroy habitable planets, despite clearly having the technology needed to just blow up planets willy-nilly like the Empire can in SW.
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Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
No.
The Maquis are trying to undermine a peace treaty full of compromises. Basically, any time you think the Maquis are doing the right thing, think of what would happen if the compromise the Cardassians would ask for is to have Bajor back, and turn Kira Nerys’ favourite planet back into a slave run industrial wasteland.
In the vast emptiness of space, there are plenty of planets that aren’t contested. Get the colonisers (which is what these fucking people are) to go there. You have fucking replicator technology, and transporters, you don’t need to be hellbent on these random ass planets to the point where you start bombing planets inhabited by sentient beings.
Also, Ira Steven Behr is an edgelord on purpouse, and put up these kinds of divisions and polemics just to make Star Trek not a utopia. Any dilemmas are made just to push established visionary boundries, just to make a “no paradise is attainable” point.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 days ago
- Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
IDK, the universe is pretty vast, and they seem to be tripping over M class planets. Also, there are several other classes of planet available and they do some terraforming, it wouldn’t be too far fetched to say they took a “not quite M-Class” planet and did a little terraforming and had that up for grabs.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Did any terre forming happen after Project Genesis and Kahn? I haven’t watched since Voyager, but I don’t remember them explicitly mentioning it in either TNG or DS9
- Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They do plenty of terraforming adjacent tasks in TNG, mainly for planets that have recently joined the federation, or are undergoing some kind of collapse prevention. I think the issue with Project Genesis and similar is that they were “bombs” that would instantly overwrite the ecological system on a planet with a predetermined one, wiping out the existing ecological system in the process, to put plainly, killing everything.
The terraforming I’m talking about is stuff like earthquake mitigation, adjusting “atmospheric conditions” to stop greenhouse effects or similar, etc. And it’s all signed off in triplicate from the federation etc, not just lobbing a terraforming bomb at a planet on a whim.
agentTeiko@piefed.social 2 days ago
Ireland would like to have a word.
- Skullgrid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
yeah, you wanna explain the good friday agreement to me? Or do you just want all the protestants off the siland?
You could say the exact same thing about the Cardassians.
I don’t see any good way to fill in the blank where “forced relocation is fine when _____” is the sentence.
Yes you could. Which is why they ended up with a compromise for both the Cardassians and the Federation, to create a fragile peace that can be maintained if both parts accept the compromises each on ceded.
“forced relocation is fine when you set up base there about 20 years ago, you will get more than handsomely rewarded with an equal or bigger piece of land on a different planet and not be inconvenienced, and it is to stop an interplanetary war.”
For the sake of argument, how many years is the cutoff that flips it from “fine” to “evil”?
Citation needed? I don’t think that was ever stated, and “Journey’s End” is actually pretty clear about a new home having not even been identified.
The Federation and the Cardassians were not at war when the treaty was signed…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maquis_(Star_Trek)#Storylin…
Bruh we’re on an internet board. You really want to split hairs about the fine details of fake politics?
Multiple lifetimes having passed. As in, two sentient lifebeing lifespans, to the point where the original migration is completely removed from living memory. This isn’t “all the colonists knew from the moment they were born” this is “We set up that well 10 years ago, and we barely got to use it”. You worked as an agreement with an organisation, that has now had to adjust to harsh realities, and you also need to do so.
…fandom.com/…/Journey's_End_(episode)
My interpretation of the events is that eventually the butt of a Cardassian rifle is going to welcome it’s new home in the heads of one of these native american settlers, and they are going to lament their choices.