Comment on Valve runs its massive PC gaming ecosystem with only about 350 employees

• lmaydev@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Twitter runs a single web application.

  They also do make games.

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  • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Isn’t most of steam self moderated by the publishers and developers?

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    • Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      they have mobile games too, and a tech demo for the steam deck, and the known hero shooter in the works

      basically the people who think valve doesnt make games didnt buy into any of their expansionary market projects (mobile/vr/steam deck). They make games, just ones you dont want to play.

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      • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Nah, their corporate structure legit caused them issues making games, people like to think valve as this perfect company, but it’s hella flawed and it’s peak capitalism too.

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        Lemmy just seems to dislike anything remotely bad being said about them, it’s odd.

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    • uis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m not sure what do you mean as moderation of store page.

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      • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They make the information on the store page, they moderate the forums, guides and workshop.

        What does steam moderate themselves?

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• cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They don’t make games

  DOTA and CS beg to differ. Spotify is a “storefront” that produces nothing but has about 25x more employees.

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  • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And valve contracts out or has the developers and publishers self moderate their own pages on Steam.

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    • cygnus@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Dude, just take the L and move on.

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      • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        How does a discussion have a loser? I was adding how valve has such a low employee account.

        Take offense that they legit have issues publishing any games due to their corporate structure…

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        But I was only adding to the discussion, why do you need to “win”?

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    • Album@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How do you think Spotify works?

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      • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It would see the pay more employees than contractors, that’s why their employee count is higher.

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• jqubed@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wall Street would probably say 15-30,000+. I think the point of the surprise is that actually it’s possible to be massively profitable and have good products without needing massive teams of people. How many mediocre/bad AAA games have teams larger than Valve’s entire staff? More isn’t always better, sometimes it’s just more.

  I haven’t read this article, because yeah, I’ve seen this same basic headline over a dozen times in the past week on Lemmy, but I think it’s a testament to what can happen when a private company doesn’t have a lot of shareholders and is run by people who just want the company to run well and be profitable. They don’t have to chase some unsustainable Wall Street expectation of x% growth every quarter.

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  • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Most of the store front is moderated by the publishers and developers, and they contract out a lot of work, maybe what, one valve employee at a server bank with the rest being contract workers?

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    • uis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Most of the store front is moderated by the publishers and developers,

      You say this a lot, but can you explain what this means?

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      • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        ?? The developers control the store pages, what needs to explained more?

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• Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  All that says is that if you give people choice, they might chose not to make games in today’s market, that’s not bad imo. It’s possible that building new games isn’t what the world needs right now.

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  • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    It says that every employee had their own idea of what valve should be working too. Nothing got done, games, updates, bug fixing, there wasn’t anyone to say hey, we need 5 guys to get this done. It’s nah I want to add hats to this game, but the griefers ruining this one isn’t important to me.

    Its always interesting to see the rose coloured glasses spin on this own admitted failure.

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    • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      It says that every employee had their own idea of what valve should be working too. Nothing got done,

      I guess that’s where me and you would differ. Though they didn’t put out half life 3, imo valve has contributed more to my gaming experience than any other company and BY FAR.

      So if this is things not getting done, I only want more of this.

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• uis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Like how many people does it take to run some servers?

  That is exactly the point of post. You don’t need tends of thousands of people to run some servers.

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  • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You do need employees and valve contracts them instead of hiring directly.

    This is the detail people are missing or ignoring in their circle jerk of valve here.

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    • uis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then I will repeat YOUR question:

      Like how many people does it take to run some servers?

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      • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        ??

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