Comment on President 360 No Scope...

Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• roguetrick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sure. Even better, if you replace them with ones that will rule this was an error and the president only gets qualified immunity, you’ll still be in the clear because you were acting on what you thought the law was.

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  • xenoclast@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The better move is actually remove the SC, replace it with a new one that repeals all Republican changes since 1980.

    Allow the president immunity until the end of this term, then make it a death penalty offence to basically do anything Trump or his cronies have done.

    After all of MAGAs leaders are in jail or in the ground for the treason they committed RETIRE and hold an election again

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• ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yes, but

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• atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If he went to their homes and strangled them himself? Yes. If he ordered someone to do it. The laws and UCMJ apply to those people so no. There’s this thing people keep forgetting about. The UCMJ isn’t just guidelines. It’s actual rules. And murder is still illegal.

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  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If he went to their homes and strangled them himself?

    I was actually think of him pulling a Vlad the Impaler and inviting them over for dinner.

    The UCMJ isn’t just guidelines. It’s actual rules. And murder is still illegal.

    If there’s anything I learned from the Trump years, hell even the Bush II years, is that there are no rules if no one enforces them.

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  • Muehe@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    IANAL, but there is the presidential power to pardon. So the president could in theory give an illegal order (as long as it is an official act they have immunity) and promise a presidential pardon once the order is fulfilled (therefore extending immunity to the perpetrator). Meaning the president can entirely circumvent the UCMJ.

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    • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And those people would still face state charges because that’s how that works. You can’t get a presidential pardon for state crimes.

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      • ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Can you face state charges for murder if you’re already facing federal charges for the same killing (you crossed state lines)? That sounds like double jeopardy to me.

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      • EvacuateSoul@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So do it in DC

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      • Muehe@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ok yeah fair enough, that sounds reasonable. But to my knowledge the UMCJ is a federal law, not a state law, so how does that line of argument factor in there? You cited that as an example of checks and balances that would prevent people from following illegal orders, but it being a federal law still means the president could circumvent it with the official order plus pardon combo, at least if my understanding of this new supreme court ruling is correct.

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  • Cryophilia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Plenty of people willing to go to jail for 20 years to preserve democracy.

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    • atrielienz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If there were someone would have taken a shot at Trump long before now.

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