Yeah, the early primaries really do benefit establishment democrats, and it seemingly painted a damning picture for Bernie. I think if we had synchronized primaries, this benefit would be much smaller and Bernie would’ve had a significant shot.
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EatATaco@lemm.ee 8 months agoShe demolished sanders in the primary. Get over it. The belief that she only won because of some dirty tricks or that sanders was screwed is just nonsense. I wish he had won, and i voted for him, but unfortunately reality tells a much different story. This belief he was screwed is no different than the belief that trump was screwed in 2020.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Copernican@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Bernie was such a good surprise candidate, but that only happened because Warren didnt run. I wish she did. I think that was her time and would have avoided some of the criticisms (whether fair or unfairly thrown) at Bernie.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 8 months ago
One of the earliest was NH, which he did very well in, and which gave rise to “sanders has a chance!”
He probably did way better because he was hyped as having a legitimate shot after that, he even though it clearly wasn’t the case.
retrospectology@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Warren backstabbed Sanders in 2016 and 2020 even after she lost, she fell in line with the establushment instead of fighting for what she claims to believe. She’s arguably worse than out and out conservative dems, she’s there to sabotage the left and siphon away votes.
Copernican@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, that was disappointing. But I do think it was a tough situation. Sanders wasn’t a Dem, he was an independent. I think Warren as an established D could have had more pull and commanded more from the establishment side. Unfortunately she picked party over platform.
throbbing_banjo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This is a deeply unpopular take but it’s the correct one. I caucusef for Bernie in both 2016 and 2020 and the amount of Hilary/Biden supporters to Bernie supporters in both respective years was dishearteningly high.
The only people who show up for primaries and caucuses are predominantly white, Christian heterosexuals of retirement age.
They’re absolutely fucking terrified of anything remotely approaching progressive policy and they’ll never, ever let us run anyone who doesn’t make them feel safe with all their old white money.
retrospectology@lemmy.world 8 months ago
It’s possible to defeat a popular progressive like sabders when you have the backing of the party establishment and their corporate media apparatus.
Clinton won her primary through voter suppression by the DNC and corporate, that doesn’t make her a better candidate. The General proved that.
If she “demolished” Sanders, and then lost to Donald Trump, that means Trump is therefore the “best” candidate. That’s your logic here.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Clinton won her primary through voter suppression by the DNC and corporate
I’m sure you’ll be able to back this up with some facts.
If she “demolished” Sanders, and then lost to Donald Trump, that means Trump is therefore the “best” candidate. That’s your logic here.
At no point did i say she was the best candidate. I even explicitly said that i voted for Sanders, implying i thought he was the better choice. I’m just pointing out the reality that democratic voters overwhelmingly supported Clinton over Sanders.
retrospectology@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yes and the American people voted for Trump over Clinton, that doesn’t mean he won due to his popularity, he won because he exploited a broken system, same as Clinton exploited a broken system within the DNC.
Clinton’s primary win is not evidence that she was overwhelmingly popular, it’s evidence that democratic voters was misled about Sanders (who we both supposedly agree is a better candidate). Clinton voters are low-information, a condition that’s fostered deliberately by the DNC and Democrat-aligned corporate media, because if they didn’t decieve people those voters would understand that Sanders is actually someone who would work to deliver the things that benefit all of us.
If you actually think Sanders is the better candidate then you should agree that most normal people aren’t aware of why. On the other hand, if you think Sanders lost fair and square and democratic voters voted with full knowledge then that’s basically just saying you think progressive policy is a failure on its own merits.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I’m sure you’ll be able to back this up with some facts.
You keep throwing shit out but don’t back any of it up. Why would i continue to follow your ever shifting justifications?
If you actually think Sanders is the better candidate then you should agree that most normal people aren’t aware of why.
One thing i will address is this. I understand that everyone has differing priorities, desires for me, and opinions than me. Clinton would have been a perfectly fine POTUS, so it’s not hard for me to accept that other people have a different opinion.
The question i originally addressed was whether the DNC screwed Sanders. There is no evidence that they did anything to him that would have overcome the shellacking he took.
pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
The delegates all predicated their votes to make it look like Hillary had already won before the elections even started
EatATaco@lemm.ee 8 months ago
So you are saying that millions of people were swayed by super delegates? It was extremely early, NH early, that people started getting pumped that sanders could win. The media hyped up the race despite it never being close.
It’s grasping at straws to claim that this is why she demolished him.
pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
The race started with Hillary having a commanding lead because the superdelegates were allowed to pre vote. It was clearly intended to manipulate the voters. Let’s not feign ignorance.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 8 months ago
She demolished him in votes. You take super delegates out, she still destroys him.
Pretending that you know that it was meant to influence the voters is nonsense, but pretending that this actually swayed enough that it might have made it even close is just downright ridiculous.
retrospectology@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Millions were swayed by lies spun by corporate media.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 8 months ago
The media hyped up the race. An actual race is far more profitable for them than the reality that Clinton was clearly going to win from the start.
Sanders also go the most positive coverage in the media.