Let me get this straight: you not only actually want a vehicle that decides where to go based on software instead of with a mechanical linkage you can directly control, you want Tesla, of all companies, to provide it?!
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Let me get this straight: you not only actually want a vehicle that decides where to go based on software instead of with a mechanical linkage you can directly control, you want Tesla, of all companies, to provide it?!
Get help:
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 months ago
There’s a lot of Tesla hate on build quaility on Lemmy/Reddit, but they actually have some of the most reliable power trains and exceptional software. There was some problems back in the very early days of the Model S with the 85kw/h packs, but they’ve moved beyond that now.
Give this is part of the power train, and software, it’s right in line with their expertise.
grue@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I wouldn’t trust any software from any manufacturer to steer for me, at least not in such a way that I can’t easily disable and use a mechanical manual backup.
Also, steering isn’t “power train.” If you’re gonna lump it in with something, it fits closer to the [alleged] self-driving system.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 months ago
So I looked it up, and you’re right, steering isn’t part of the power train. Looks like its it’s own thing.
I don’t think it’s right to lump it in with the self driving system though as it’s taking your input and translating it into the appropriate movement. The L2 driving system decides to go left or right and will send the same signal you would by steering left or right. I guess it’s just it’s own thing just like power steering is it’s own thing.
Obviously this is first gen tech in cars, but it’s been around for quite awhile in aviation with no backup mechanical link, we haven’t all died yet.
Tesla’s system is triple redundant, but that doesn’t guarantee something won’t go wrong, only time will tell on that one. Maybe we learn triple isn’t enough and the NHSTA mandates quad?
I do have a feeling though, that within 20 years or so, it’s almost all going to be steer by wire. It’s safer in the event of a crash as you don’t have the steering shaft in front of you. It also saves space from not needing all the mechanical linkage. I imagine insurance would have higher rates on cars that don’t have steer by wire as well due to increased risk in accidents.
grue@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Exactly: the same signal. If the electronics controlling it receive one input from the steering wheel and a different input from the self-driving computer, are you sure it will prioritize the steering wheel input in every single possible circumstance? 'Cause I’m not!
The difference between this and regular power steering perfectly illustrates my concern: the way power steering works is that it assists the driver’s movements by amplifying the force that you’ve applied to the wheel. If it fails, you can still steer the car; it’s just harder. (I know this from personal experience BTW: the power steering in my old pickup truck is out right now. I haven’t fixed it yet mostly because I’m still deciding whether I want to keep it or downgrade/simplify to a non-power steering rack.)
In contrast, if something goes wrong with this system, it is very unclear to me that the driver could override what the car wants to do, no matter how much force you apply to the steering wheel. Or, for that matter, if turning the wheel would be effective at all: you might end up just sawing the wheel left and right with no effect whatsoever on the way the tires are pointing.
I don’t like those failure modes! At least in a mechanical steering system, for it to fail completely like that would require something like a tie rod breaking or the splines in the steering column shearing off – in other words, metal ripping apart that (a) shows warning signs you can easily inspect for (e.g. deep rust or cracks on the tie rods), (b) you probably notice happening because it makes noise, and (b) probably happens kinda gradually rather than instantaneously because steel is ductile.
I’m not fully opposed to self-driving, by the way: it’s just that (a) I want the system to be Free Software so I can inspect and trust the code, and (b) I want it to be coupled to the steering column with a belt or a clutch or something that can slip and allow me to mechanically override it if I yank hard enough on the steering wheel.
First of all, aviation has vastly more stringent oversight than cars do, in terms of manufacturing regulations, maintenance regulations, and pilot regulations.
Second, fly-by-wire passenger jets are also just categorically different not because it’s flying vs. ground transport, but also because it’s public transport vs. an owner-operated private vehicle. If I’m already entrusting my safety to a pilot or bus driver anyway and they decide fly-by-wire or drive-by-wire is acceptable, that’s one thing. But when I’m the one operating the thing myself, it’s entirely another.