Comment on Is there any real physical proof that Jesus christ ever existed?
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
There’s a bunch of old texts about a Jewish “prophet” called Jesus, who was gathering some followers. As far as I understand, there’s no really reason not to believe the person existed.
Then again, all the Jesus lore, there’s no reason to believe his miracles were real as those made no sense
Apepollo11@lemmy.world 1 week ago
This. There is evidence that a preacher called Jesus existed, was crucified, and was well-regarded enough to start a following that persisted even after his death.
There isn’t, however, strong historical evidence for any of the magical parts of it.
jonne@infosec.pub 1 week ago
I don’t think anyone is talking about the miracles when they refer to the historical Jesus.
almar_quigley@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Every Christian takes an historical proof of Jesus as affirmation of the stories within the New Testament.
Apepollo11@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Let’s not do the ‘every Christian’ thing. It’s worth remembering the US has a very ‘unique’ type of Christian.
uienia@lemmy.world 1 week ago
There are zero contemporary primary sources for his existence.
Apepollo11@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Primary sources? No, but there are independent secondary sources by people with no skin in the game.
Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus (circa 93–94 CE).
Annals by Tacitus (circa 116 CE)
The earliest Christian writings are also more about the teachings of a disruptive Jewish preacher who was then crucified, than they are about magic.
olafurp@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I remember that one miracle closely resembles CPR. He put his hands on a body and brought it back to life.