If that’s all true, then the two who lived are lucky after they had the gall to shoot at firefighters.
Comment on May 13, 1985
Godric@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The police obtained arrest warrants in 1985 charging four MOVE occupants with crimes including parole violations, contempt of court, illegal possession of firearms, and making terroristic threats. Mayor Wilson Goode and police commissioner Gregore J. Sambor classified MOVE as a terrorist organization. Police evacuated residents of the area from the neighborhood prior to their action. Residents were told that they would be able to return to their homes after a 24-hour period.
There was an armed standoff with police, who threw tear gas canisters at the building. The MOVE members fired at them, and a gunfight with semi-automatic and automatic firearms ensued for 90 minutes… At 2 p.m., Sambor ordered that the compound be bombed.
From a Pennsylvania State Police helicopter, Philadelphia Police Department proceeded to drop two 1.5-pound bombs (which the police referred to as “entry devices”) made of Tovex, a dynamite substitute, combined with two pounds of FBI-supplied C-4, targeting a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house. The bombs exploded after 45 seconds, igniting the fuel of a gasoline-powered generator and setting the house on fire, which was left to burn. Officials later stated that this was to let the fire burn through the roof and destroy the “bunker”, so police could then drop tear gas into the house and flush out the occupants.
30 minutes later, firefighters moved in to control the fire but there was gunfire and the firefighters and police were ordered back as the fire spread to neighboring houses down the street.
The only two MOVE survivors, Birdie Africa, who was 13 at the time, and Ramona Africa, both escaped the house. Police initially said that two men had also run out of the house at the same time and fired at them and that police had returned fire. Ramona Africa said that police fired at those trying to escape. Police said that MOVE members moved in and out of the house shooting at the police. The fire department later declared the fire under control at 11:47 p.m.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
frostysauce@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You’re assuming that both of them, including the 13-year old, fired at the firefighters?
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
No but I am assuming the two of them were a part of the larger MOVE group referred to as “they”, especially given they both had the last name Africa which was adopted by all of the cult’s members.
Godric@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You should not assume children are part of any group or movement. This wasn’t a good vs bad event, as reality seldom is. Shitty people on both ends resulted in a tragedy.
just_the_ticket@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Boy of you think 13-year-olds can’t shoot you haven’t seen shit
Godric@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Boy of you think 4-year-olds can’t shoot you haven’t seen shit
John_McMurray@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You believe that part?
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
I’m not going to sit here and give you a lecture on what the word “IF” means.
John_McMurray@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah I responded before you changed it, so stfu.
just_the_ticket@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Seems reasonable
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 months ago
Bombing a house in the middle of a residential area seems “reasonable”?
A judge and jury found the police department used unnecessary excessive violence and violated constitutional protections against unlawful searches.
cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 6 months ago
That’s definitely sarcastic.
rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 6 months ago
We got some messed up people on this site already we can never be too sure.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 6 months ago
I hope so, yes.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Nah, police weren’t adequately trained to handle something on this scale. Something had to be done, but not by police with satchel charges and an anti-tank machinegun.
FangedWyvern42@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What?
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Yeah the city police had and used it. Crazy, right?
5gruel@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What is an anti tank machine gun?
RalfWausE@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
In WWI there were attempts to bring down early tanks with heavy machine guns (the armor was not that thick back then)… but i am not sure if this is an official category.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
A big gun with big bullets that shoots really fast. Fuck if I know the model, but the police had and used it in this event.
Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m constantly told the 2nd amendment exists for the express purpose of shooting cops. Are you saying the 2nd amendment is in the wrong here and that police should have access to weapons denied to ordinary people?
BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 6 months ago
2nd amendment is supposed to keep the government in check. the fact there are guns citizens cannot get but the government can is a travesty
NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I want a god damn 25 megaton nuke tyvm.