That’s me. I have a pretty decent computer but it can’t run win11. Ill be buggered if I’m getting a new PC just to make win11 run
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Mio@feddit.nu 6 months ago
How many % of these 70% can’t upgrade to windows 11 due to hardware limitation?
kaffiene@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Lemonparty@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Mine can run it but requires reinstalling my entire OS because something in the bios wasn’t enabled before it was installed. I mean…okay that’s certainly a design choice but I’m 100% not doing that
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Like the TPM chip. It is required for Windows Hello, Bitlocker, and a few other things to enhance security. Works much like a RSA token, if the code from the chip doesn’t match the code on the hard drive it assumes tampering and will lock entry. The encrypted drive (Bitlocker) or the OS will require the Bitlocker recovery key to boot the OS (Decrypt the drive) and the password instead of the Face ID/ PIN/fingerprint you used to make access quicker. Most devices didn’t have TPM 2.0 till recently, which is the version used by Windows 11 I believe.
If you don’t encrypt said drive or attach the Microsoft accounts as they recommend anyone can grab the drive, reset the account password or just pull all your files from the drive from another OS. It’s all forced security because the views/legal responsibility keeps looking at the companies to produce the products and blaming them for not securing their users instead of the users securing themselves.
Lemonparty@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I don’t think it would matter what it was, I’m not doing an entire OS reinstall to “upgrade” to an inferior experience. If it can’t apply the update itself, it’s not going on until it absolutely has to, and even then it’s looking more likely to be Linux next boot install.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 months ago
I’m in this boat. My current setup’s motherboard is from just before TPM and SecureBoot were around.
almost1337@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Likewise
xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Plus one.
soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
I built my PC 2 years ago with brand new parts (at that time) but still have hardware limitation message lol
jonasw@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
How lol? What does it complain about?
soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
It doesn’t give me any details but tbh I’m in no rush to diagnose it. If it means it won’t ever try to auto update itself I’m in the best position I can be
accideath@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Probably a fair share. The hardware requirements aren’t unreasonably high but a lot of people (like myself) are running hardware that is 10+ years old because why not? Still works fine, if you don’t need that much power.
Not that I’d run Win 11 anyways. Tried it, was a pretty but nonfunctional mess, downgraded to 10 at first and upgraded to Linux later.
Rose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They absolutely are unreasonably high. My barely overclocked 6700K is sufficient for virtually every new or slightly older game I throw at it, but somehow it’s not enough for the OS?
JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
It’s not about the speed - the minimum requirements for Win 11 are a 1Ghz dual-core processor and 4GB of RAM- it’s because of the processor generation. Not sure if there’s been an official explanation, but the going consensus is that they aren’t going to officially support anything that is susceptible to Meltdown or Spectre.
Rose@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There are already precedents of software (the Riot games) and the OS itself refusing to work if the requirements are bypassed, so it’s a very risky move that nobody should choose for their main OS.
Moorshou@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
accideath@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s absolutely supported if you have SucureBoot and TPM 2.0 support. Sure, it’s not on the official support list but that’s probably because those features weren’t standard yet in that generation and it’s not tested and verified. It’ll still work fine though.
Also, performance is not everything. Support for certain instruction sets is usually the problem, when newer operating systems drop support for older chips. Of course that’s not it in this case, Skylake and Coffeelake are essentially identical and the latter does have official support.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 months ago
It’s so wild how Windows boasts about backwards compatibility but doesn’t support hardware from 2010. It’s literally a fully functional 64 bit system but it doesn’t have SecureBoot so it won’t let me install 11.
accideath@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Well, it‘s software
bloatbackward compatibility, not for hardware.And to be fair, that actually works quite well. Had a 20 y/o negative scanner driver that I could install relatively easily on windows 10. The first party macOS driver stopped working more than a decade ago (needs PowerPC compatibility) and the only modern third party driver software that gets it to work on Win, Mac and Linux costs 100€.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
That is because they are still required to improve their software, and that means sometimes cutting off a part of their support. Especially when it comes to security.
But hey, support for hardware that is 10 years old is unfortunately still way ahead of the competition, Mac can’t hold a candle.
And you could still bypass the TPM requirement with some elbow grease.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 months ago
If I bypass the TPM requirement, will it break in the future?