Comment on If everyone had access to healthcare the net benefit of treating the mental illness and other disabilities holding them back would easily cover the cost of the healthcare itself.

• Daft_ish@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You are making lots of false assumptions and I will assume it’s intentional.

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  • imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re the one making a lot of assumptions based on what was originally a shower thought. It’s a nice thought but it’s completely and utterly incorrect in reality.

    My kids are real life examples demonstrating that huge investment, while good for the individuals, does not reduce the cost or burden of them to society later in their life.

    This isn’t an assumption, it’s a data point that contradicts your hypothetical theory.

    The fundamental flaw in your thinking is your assumption that treating mental illness and disabilities will result in the person becoming a productive member of society. This is occasionally true, but much more commonly, the treatment serves to alleviate the more severe symptoms of the condition, without actually curing or fixing the condition.

    Healthcare is primarily about minimizing the damage and suffering caused by various physical and mental ailments, it can’t magically transform people into something they’re not.

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    • Daft_ish@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      How would a universal healthcare system exclude people?

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  • sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, it is from unfortunate personal experience. Special needs families get the short end of the stick in a lot of ways - ours included. Feel free to IM me about it if you want specific anecdotes. After killing myself to get my kids what they need (navigating insurance denials, waiting lists for specialists, underfunded and confusing government programs, lack of childcare, hitting out of pocket maximums year after year, and taking jobs that leave me exhausted and with little family time to pay for it all), I have a huge defense mechanism for anything that sounds like it can quickly and easily solve this kind of situation - because I’ve been repeatedly shown it is a pipe dream. It doesn’t mean UHC isn’t a noble cause or the right way to go. But the reality is that it probably won’t be much of a qualitative change for families like ours. And it is hard to hear that our experiences are not valid.

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    • stelelor@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I hear where you’re coming from. I can’t even begin to imagine how tired you are after all these hardships. The fact that you’re still writing civil replies to the other person is commendable.

      I would like to respectfully say that universal healthcare would have eliminated the need to navigate insurance denials and out of pocket maximums. If we add a more robust social safety net to the equation, you may also not have to worry about childcare and having to stretch yourself thin with work… Would eliminating these battles really not have brought qualitative changes (for the better) for your family?

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      • sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thanks for saying that. 🙂

        I would tear off my right arm to have a robust enough safety net to take care of my kids adequately (and thanks to UHC in that situation, I would live thru it!). The cost is so high, and there is such a fear of people abusing the system, I struggle to see how it would practically work out - and worry that my kids would be able to navigate complex government programs after I’m gone. I’d vote for UHC every time and willing pay into the program - but I am resigned to knowing it won’t improve my kids’ lives.

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