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Comment on A universal basic income to the ultra wealthy would be perceived by them as being given a couple pennies every month

jeffw@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Which is one of the reasons I actually oppose UBI. Also, in practice, it will be used to replace SSI, not enhance it. At least in the USA, a better answer is fixing and expanding the SSI and Social Security system. People making 6 figures don’t need an extra $1k a month or whatever figure people want to suggest. But giving very poor people an extra $2k, moderately poor people $1k, etc. would be a bigger help. And the idea would be if you make $2 or $3 more dollars, you lose $1 in support.

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grue@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
That’s just pointless extra bureaucracy.

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- jeffw@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Ok, the alternative is removing SSI, which is always how it’s been presented in the USA. People always get excited and never read the full language in proposals.
  
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intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What is the cutoff point, where someone making more than that amount can use an extra $1k, but not someone making that amount?

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- jeffw@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It decreases with income, as I said. If we give $2,000 to everyone making under $60k, for example, then decrease it for every few bucks you make. You’d probably have to do something like a 10:1 ratio where is you make $60,010, you’d get $1999 and so on. That would mean people making $80k or more don’t get anything. And they don’t really need it anyway.
  
  But regardless, UBI, even under Yang, is always an attempt to destroy our current welfare system.
  
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  - 3volver@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Your assumption that SSI would be somehow removed or replaced is shit. Universal basic income should never be based on income, it goes against the entire point. Universal basic income would be on top of any existing benefits and wouldn’t impact any other benefits.
    
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    jeffw@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Except that was Yang’s plan. That’s how it works when it’s been attempted at a federal level. Not to mention that’s the only way it would pass. It’s not BS when that’s literally how it’s been proposed in US law. Some proposals even remove SNAP along with SSI.
    
    There is no assumption being made here.
    
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