It’s funny how people will find anything to blame except for the problem itself when the problem is capitalism.
And it’s not like we’ve seen anything odd happen when people systematically blame a particular race/religion/nationality in history… /S
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TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
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victoitor@lemmy.eco.br 6 months ago
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s not funny. Our culture tells us to bow to authority. Be it old people in house and neighbourhood, or boss at work. We are not supposed to criticize them lest we get labelled troublemaker. Just keep your head down and walk down the beaten path.
These CEOs are just a shining example of these.
victoitor@lemmy.eco.br 6 months ago
I’m still not sure you got it.
There is no issue in criticizing these CEOs. They are horrible indeed. But they are like this and they have been promoted to this spot because we’re in a system (capitalism) which values this behaviour. Not because they’re Indian…
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
And I’ll tell you what I told others.
Come here and try to live like how we live and you’ll understand first hand what I’m trying to say.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This reads like, “the Jews run the media and the banks. Trust me, I’m a Jew.”
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Broadly applicable cultural norms aren’t a thing?
Please come here to Mumbai, try to live as a wagie, and see how far can you go it before the grind breaks you.
prole@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Don’t worry guys, it’s not racist because he said they’re “his people”.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
It sure feels racist. :/
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
I think this is just because there are a good number of Indian people in tech. Usually it’s a white person doing this and we hardly notice their skin colour (because of racism).
India actually has a pretty healthy history of workers banding together in collective action, and coming together in mutual aid. I’d elaborate but my social media minutes are about to run out
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
there are a good number of Indian people in tech.
Yes, as grunt workers (myself included).
I legit can’t recall many Indian innovators in tech. Even most tech companies here in India are copies of American companies.
Which again brings me back to my question. What have these CEOs done during their tenure other than rent seeking?
EnderMB@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’ve no idea why, but Amazon in particular has a huge number of Indian managers. It’s never particularly bothered me, but I do see this sentiment amongst other people of Indian origin - often the most critical of Indian managers.
Is there something specific about Indian leadership that pushes growth above anything else? The sentiment in Amazon is one of ruthlessness, and pushing growth and positive short-term metrics above everything else.
Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Trust me, Indian managers are considered ruthless by most fellow indians from what I heard. Our workspace culture is quite toxic compared to the west.
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Is there something specific about Indian leadership that pushes growth above anything else?
Yes. They’ll micromanage the shit out of everything and throw you under the bus to save their own skin.
And the mods have removed my comment for ‘Rule 3’. What the fuck.
prowling4973@programming.dev 6 months ago
Ah yes, Jerry Dischler, the Indian.
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That was an ad guy doing ad guy things. Why the fuck the product guy do what he did? Cause he didn’t give a shit about his domain.
prowling4973@programming.dev 6 months ago
Have you spent any amount of time around software engineers who aren’t from India? You may be idealizing us - a lot.
I’ve worked extensively with devs from NY, SF and Toronto (where I’m located). The ideal “innovative” “passionate” devs are maybe 2 to a company. The rest just want to put food on the table, buy a house, buy a car, go on vacation and fuck off at the end of the day. How do you think fb and Google built their privacy nightmares? By exclusively hiring Indians? Or by dangling enough money at devs of all races who don’t give a shit?
Pretty much every single one of my colleagues will gladly write code to turn the product into complete dog shit if the “ad guy” shows up with a million dollar paycheck. What do I care? It’s not my baby. My actual real life baby’s future matters more to me than the future of whatever product my current company is working on.
Being an Indian yourself does not absolve you of your racist tirades against other Indians. Learn to be empathetic towards others. If I, a privileged dude-bro, can understand why people who grow up with extreme resource contention and competition behave the way they do, then you should get it too.
misc@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Bruh don’t be racist its not like americans or brits are not after money india sucks at a lot of things including what you just said but its not like they are the only one’s like that .
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Sundar Pichai
Satya Nadella
Shantanu Narayen (CEO of Adobe since 2008)
Tech companies with Indian CEOs have defined and refined rent-seeking over innovations.
Unlike Brin, Page, Zuckerberg, Gates who had interest in technology and the product, these are just fucking yes men who exist to please the board by trying to keep the line going up, as long as they’re not required to take risks themselves.
They’ll buy competition, give shit pay to employees, and cut costs even if that harns the company in the long run.
Fuck them.
prowling4973@programming.dev 6 months ago
Satya Nadella turned MS around after the disaster years under Balmer. Your racism is blinding you if you think that he’s a problem - from a product perspective or from profit perspective.
sorghum@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Not to take up for his point, but windows 10 was in development years before Nadella. The only version of windows totally under his governance has been the disastrous windows 11. So I guess I have him to thank for finally giving me the kick in the pants to fully switch to Linux.
I guess the point I need to make is that Microsoft was not good before or during Nadella. There have been bright spots, but not enough for me to have then outweigh all the other crap pulled both during and before Nadella.
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They also fired entire QA department and crowdsourced it to paying customers.
And it’s not my racism. I’m a born and raised Indian who everyday meets people like these. Our culture is fucked up.
prole@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Oh shit guys he named three people!
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Three people who are steering highly influential mega corporations.
Piss off.
misc@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Idk didn’t zuck suppress a lot of war shit to please others ? Sell bad ads ? Bloat his platforms with trackers and ads ? All for profit also there is a really REALLY big reddit thread with all the bad things zuck did .
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I’m not talking about Zuckerberg after 10 years of being a CEO.
I’m talking about Zuckerberg when he dropped out of college, started Facebook, and actually developed features for his new venture.
We can hate him for being a piece of shit ghoul that he is, but we can’t deny his technical skills.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Ajit Pai comes to mind.
prole@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Are we playing a game where we list the names of greedy fucks who have ruined society? Because I assure you that we’re looking at a ration of 10:1, at least, of white names vs. any other ethnicity. And that’s being extremely generous.
Stop fooling yourself.
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Not really. Unlike other three, he was not born and brought up in India.
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I don’t see anything in the comment that would insinuate that.
misc@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Are you by any chancr blind ?
Kbobabob@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No. Where did it say anything about anyone else? You are the one implying that this only applies to one group. The OP is just saying they are disappointed by a certain group.
Pretzilla@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Legit query. and it’s true as a stereotype of many cultures.
And this particular aspect is also at the heart of global capitalism that is wreaking havoc on the world.
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What it proves is being a greedy self serving prick that will do anything for a buck if given the chance is not the exclusive domain of white people. Anyone can be an incompetent executive.
TheBat@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Did you see my other comments?
Google under Brin and Page introduced many useful products, Microsoft became a household name under Gates, same with Photoshop.
What have these CEOs done after they took the reins? All I can think of is pushing for ‘cloud’.
Pichai in particular I dislike the most. Hewas heading the Android team. But last few years Android feels stagnant. He could’ve done much more for his supposedly passion project as the CEO of Alphabet.
bitwaba@lemmy.world 6 months ago
That’s reasonable, but you’re forgetting the part where the CEOs don’t want to be the CEO anymore. They’ve got billions and want to spend it doing shit like wifi weather balloons or self driving cars. So they look for someone to replace them, and that replacement doesn’t have the tenure in the position to say “stop the bullshit, I want good products, not half baked ‘revenue generators’”.
But they do have an army of MBAs in the CFOs office telling them quarterly ad revenue is down 3% year over year, which means the world is ending, so they need to pump those numbers while everyone cashes out their stock before the rest of the stock holders realize the plan is to leave them now holding the bag for the now worthless-page-of-ads-before-search-results company.