Comment on First known test dogfight between AI and human pilot carried out, US military says

• intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  To fight optimally, AI needs to have a survival instinct too.

  Evolution didn’t settle on “protect my life at all costs” as our default instinct, simply by chance. It did so because it’s the best strategy in a hostile environment.

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  • maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s the best strategy because it takes decades to make a fully functional human, and you need humans to make more humans, plus there is the issue of genetically sustainable population sizes, etc. A fully functional aeroplane can be made much quicker, in a factory that can spit out several of them in a day. They are more expendable.

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  • Turun@feddit.de ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Only if the goal is reproduction. You need to survive to reproduce.

    If the goal is maximum damage for the least amount of economic cost then a suicide (anthropomorphizing the drone here) can very much make sense.

    No one would argue that a sword is better than guns or bombs, because you still have the sword after attacking.

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• Aatube@kbin.melroy.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Jets are a lot more expensive. What's at risk is all these resources for the jet going down the drain.

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  • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Huh? Jets are far more replaceable than a human operator who takes years of training and has “needs”.

    Ya know unless your military is running on cold war fumes or something and you can’t afford to.nuild an airframe you already have in production

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    • diffusive@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Training a combat pilot used to cost (in early 2000, not sure now) 10M€ for a NATO member.

      Find me a modern jet that costs so little. Regardless of what politicians say, human life has a price… and it is waaaay below a jet (even including the training)

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      • grue@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yeah, but procurement of a combat pilot has about a two-decade lead time. You can build more jets a lot quicker (potentially even including the R&D phase).

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      • GBU_28@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s not just money. It’s time, public perception, quantity trainers, quantity student seats etc

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  • everyone_said@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d imagine a jet purpose built for an AI would be a lot cheaper than a human-oriented one. Removing the need for a cockpit with seats, displays, controls, oxygen, etc would surely reduce cost. It would also open the door for innovations in air-frame design previously impossible.

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    • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We keep talking like we’re discussing the future, but autonomous drones are already fighting in the skies of Ukraine.

      Begun, the drone wars have.

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    • maynarkh@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You mean like:

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  • Bgugi@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Jets are in many ways expensive because they can’t be expendible. They also make an bunch of compromises to accommodate keeping a human alive.

    For the cost of a single f22, you could put up 60 Valkyries. I think I know which side I would bet on.

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