Comment on EU tells Meta it can't paywall privacy

• pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You’re free to not use Facebook.

  Also, your argument breaks down because there are plenty of free streaming platforms that use targeted advertising as payment for their services.

  If anything, Facebook doing this is surprising because they’re making data collection opt-in.

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  • ZeDoTelhado@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The biggest problem with this approach is basically Facebook saying that you have to pay for a right, meaning, if the law tells you that you can, and should, always have a say if you are followed around or not, you mist have that capability. What Facebook is doing is put a right behind a paywall, which is absurd

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    • bleistift2@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If I understand you correctly, you’re making the same argument as !snooggums@midwest.social above, so I’ll copy answer to them here:

      That is a completely different issue. On the one hand, meta does collect data on people who do not have an account. This is simply illegal, since that collection is neither necessary nor consented to. The EU should finally put a stop to that.

      On the other hand we have the voluntary relationship a user enters with facebook by creating an account. This is what the article is about and what I was referring to in my comment – the “binary choice between paying for a service and consenting to their personal data being used to provide targeted advertising”

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      • humorlessrepost@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Are there any rights you think should supersede contracts?

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    • pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is just about paying to not have ads, not about data collection.

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  • TheEntity@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Firstly, this is not “my argument”, this is EU’s argument.

    Secondly, none of these platforms present it as a choice between paying and giving the kind of consent that by law needs to be optional and freely given.

    Thirdly, being free to not use a service that is breaking the law does not make it any less illegal.

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  • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    not really, its so ubiquitous some of their services cant be not used.

    its impossible to exist in my country without whatsapp, most businesses do their customer service through whatsapp now.

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    • lemmyreader@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      its impossible to exist in my country without whatsapp, most businesses do their customer service through whatsapp now.

      My goodness. That is incredibly sad :(

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    • 0x0@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No, it’s not. It’s just less convenient.

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      • yetAnotherUser@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s like saying the US has functional public transit, it’s just less convenient.

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      • umbrella@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        hahah i wish

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  • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re free to not own or use a car. Should we have no rights when it comes to cars as well?

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    • bleistift2@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You have the right to not own a car. But if you do, you must have insurance for it (in Germany, at least). You cannot hide behind GDPR and say “I have a right to my data. I must not be asked to give it to any insurer without my consent.” You also need to have a driver’s license with your name and photo on it. GDPR doesn’t protect you there, either.

      The bottom line is: Using a product may come with responsibilities or other concessions. You have the right to not use the product if the concessions aren’t worth it to you. You do not have the right to any product if you refuse the obligations that come with it.

      This is, of course, my own opinion based on my understanding of how the world should work.

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      • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        They can’t assign any concessions they wants that’s the entire point.

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      • 0x0@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh, by the way… you have all those rights, but from now on you can only have them if you pay 10$/mo, otherwise we’ll take it upon ourselves to switching on all telemetry and cameras in your car and pass that data on to insurers and others.

        Actually… it doesn’t even qualify as analogy, more like premonition.

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    • pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What right is being infringed upon? Facebook is saying your options to use a private service are to pay for it, or receive targeted advertising.

      You’re free to just not use any meta products like I do.

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      • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s not about the advertising. It’s that you have to pay money to opt out of their aggressive data collection. The advertising is just one thing they do with your data.

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    • garrett@infosec.pub ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      But there’s also no ad-supported cars.

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      • DrWeevilJammer@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not seeing ads for GEICO on your car’s dashboard doesn’t mean that Toyota isn’t gathering as much data as they can about you via the platform they built and then selling that information to GEICO.

        As well as information about who you are, Toyota can also collect your “driving behavior.” This includes information such as your “acceleration and speed, steering, and braking functionality, and travel direction.” It may also gather your in-vehicle preferences, favorite locations saved on its systems, and images gathered by external cameras or sensors.

        Some models of Toyota can also scan your face for face recognition when you enter one of its vehicles.

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      • BolexForSoup@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What does the monetization scheme have to do with it?

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      • 520@kbin.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yet.

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• bleistift2@feddit.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The do charge €10/mo like every other company does, and they add the possibility to not pay and rather see targeted advertisement. How is that worse?

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