Isn’t that how non-self-hosted VPNs work by their very nature? The VPN owner is always going to know where your traffic originates and where its destination is.
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Rooki@lemmy.world 2 months agoand Nordvpn or Expressvpn isnt even private so… its paid but you still give all your data to them.
billiam0202@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Bahnd@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes, but some claim to be log-less so while they can see your traffic, they pinky promise not to record it. Proton being one who proports to not keep logs, and seeing as they are Swiss ,that tracks.
(Proton VPN is the 3rd party one I use)
azalty@jlai.lu 2 months ago
Proton is also a bit shady about their marketing and aren’t really transparent about governments asking for data. It’s also really really expensive for what it is.
Bahnd@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That is the tricky part. If you run a public VPN and a governement comes to you and says “give us all you have on user X were investigating them” you sorta have to comply and you cant go telling people that you did that either.
A few of these services will have a line on their website along the lines of “we have never provided data to any governemnt” and when they get told to cough it up they remove the line. Protons data canary has been dead for a long time, and Im not sure if other VPNs even bothered to add something like that.
As for the price tag, I’m paying exactly for that privacy (and also their mail service, de-googling yourself is hard). If I needed a less private VPN I would host one myself.
Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Tor doesn’t because the server that you contact passes it to another and encrypts the data further the exit node can then decrypt it and perform the web request on your behalf without knowing where it’s coming from.
billiam0202@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yes, but Tor isn’t a VPN- the most distinguishing difference being when using a VPN all traffic from your device is sent to the VPN tunnel, while only traffic from the Tor browser is anonymized for the onion network.
Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Tor acts as a proxy Tor browser is shipped with tor but using a different port. Tor is not the browser.
So as long as you set up what you want to use with tor and remember to start it, it should work. Otherwise I’m sure you could setup a pi or local server to route everything through tor if you wanted to.
thirteene@lemmy.world 2 months ago
As much as I detest nordvpn they do have a 0 logs policy that has been validated. Don’t give them money under any circumstance, but this isn’t accurate.
TheFriar@lemm.ee 2 months ago
What did nordvpn do that makes you hate them?
thirteene@lemmy.world 2 months ago
my.nordaccount.com/legal/terms-of-service/ It’s only two pages you should at least skim over the absolutely no guarantees, no refunds past 30 days, no refunds without needing support to “diagnose” your issue first.
Tickets are 3 day wait times, most of the updates are “do you know your account number” despite being in the ticket. The branded application is insanely unstable, since using ovpn client it’s been somewhat stable but the android client causes problems with Bluetooth on my pixel. They built in multiple layers of kill switch automation INTO the product, they can’t seem to figure out static ips. Honestly they are just incompetent.
dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
So what I’m reading from your comment is:
Thanks for the info, I should try them.
fulg@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I thought the main issue with NordVPN was, good luck trying to close your account once you’ve signed up.
I don’t really remember, I use another provider and would avoid NordVPN if only due to their aggressive YouTuber push, they must be a scam!
Rooki@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I doubt that really but if you trust them good.
thirteene@lemmy.world 2 months ago
prnewswire.com/…/nordvpn-verifies-its-no-logs-cla… cnet.com/…/nordvpn-passes-third-independent-no-lo…
That will likely change with any pressure though.
Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’d like to see them find out why a server crashes if that is true. If someone actually cares and knows enough I think an admin or someone from the government could determine a lot of most browsing data and link it with users just through the DNS cache and time. I’m also very sure they have some kinds of logs, even if they don’t log what each user is doing.