Comment on China abducted its own citizens on EU territory, report finds

Infamousblt@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I will be the first one to accuse US of being a hypocrite criminal state, but this whole mentality of excusing China’s abhorrent behavior because someone else is worse is just as bad as ignoring US crimes.

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  • 420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    China’s abhorrent behavior

    What is abhorrent here? The article you linked to has the report’s author saying that telling a citizen to return = kidnapping. It’s trumped-up bullshit.

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    • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If I first threaten your family member if you don’t do exactly as I say, it is not a simple request to return home. There is a legal process for that called extradition.

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      • 420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        What you’re describing is not kidnapping. The article implies China is threatening family members, but it provides no examples, and I have no reason to trust people who deliberately mischaracterize the facts.

        If China, for example, was arresting family members of people for no other reason besides being related to a citizen China wants to return home, the authors would probably have just said that.

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  • Infamousblt@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Abducting someone is only “abhorrent” without the context. It’s only bad if you assume they don’t have a good reason for it. And you can only assume they don’t have a good reason for it if you buy into the propaganda that the Chinese government is some entity made of pure evil.

    Maybe these folks were past their visa, or were being extradited for some crime. Who knows. There are lots of super valid reasons for an embassy to “abduct” someone. World governments do that kind of shit all of the time for totally normal reasons. And yet where’s the article about “German Embassy KIDNAPS man who was staying in the US on an expired visa.” They don’t exist because people naturally assume that white governments have a good reason for doing something and non white governments don’t. It just racism plain and simple.

    Sure maybe the Chinese government is just going around risking international incidents because some random dude is doing thought crime. Or maybe they’re just getting them out of the country because they’re not supposed to be there anymore. One of those is significantly more likely than the other.

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    • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Indeed, plenty of other countries extradite people, with the permissions of the other government. The difference here is China not only didn’t have the permission, but they didn’t even ask for it. So you can call it propaganda, while reasonable people will call it kidnapping under the existing law.

      I looked for the article related to “German Embassy KIDNAPS man who was staying in the US on an expired visa” and couldn’t find it. Could you provide the link for it?

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      • Infamousblt@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s my point, said article doesn’t exist, because it’s only “news” when “non white bad people country does things.” It’s only news when it feeds the racist propaganda machine.

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    • noride@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are you really implying clandestine abduction is an acceptable method to deal with an overstayed visa?

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      • VirtualOdour@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        But there has been no evidence of that, the article isn’t even claiming that really they’re just using words that make you picture it when the reality they actually describe is people going back home voluntarily after a conversation with embassy officials

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• steal_your_face@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Classic whataboutism

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  • 420blazeit69@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Whataboutism is a completely nonsensical concept when comparing countries. The foundation of international law is comparing how different countries handle similar situations.

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  • AOCapitulator@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Does this in your mind make both things okay somehow? Is this a magical word?

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  • Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Fallacy fallacy…

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  • What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    у вас негров линчуют

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    • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Your comment in “China abducted its own citizens on EU territory, report finds” posted in !globalnews@lemmy.zip was removed.
      Reason: Rule 3 - Respectful Communication.

      Please read the community rules.

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  • ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh shit, well I guess in that case killing your own people with sky robots and no trial is okay then.

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• iegod@lemm.ee ⁨6⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  BUT WADABAOUT!!!

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