Comment on French couple who kept 159 cats banned from keeping pets

• gaael@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Wow, this escalated towards cannibalism quickly.

  The original comment stated that France has good laws against animal abuse. That’s very partially true: a few animals have a priviledged status (cats and dogs for exemple) and are somewhat protected against abuse while others are abused, tortured and killed everyday without any kind of protection.

  I’m not commenting for any cause here, just pointing out stuff we collectively overlook.
  I don’t think we should pat ourselves on the shoulder saying “wow we’re so good at fighting animal abuse” while our food habits rely on unnecessary mass cruelty.
  And yes, it’s uncomfortable to look at - that’s why we’re used to ignoring it - but pretending it’s not real does not change the facts.

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  • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve worked on quite a few dairy farms in my time, and have never once seen an animal being “abused and tortured”.

    Cows and sheep are unbelievably stupid, you’re projecting your own thought processes onto something that has the brain capacity of a plywood door. If I kick its arse to get it to move so it doesn’t crush me, it doesn’t think “Oh my god help I’m being oppressed”, it goes “Duh, might move, might not”

    Do you know how much a fucking cow is worth? 😂 Farmers are the tightest gits on earth, they’re not out there torturing their profits mate

    If you Google “Un agriculteur accusé de maltraitance animale” you’ll find a lot of articles, which means that the laws against the abuse are working, if you mistreat your livestock you will get shut down because there’s no way to hide it and other farmers will definitely report you.

    Might be different where you’re from, but don’t accuse all farmers of torture and abuse

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    • BruceTwarzen@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Got it, they are stupid so it's okay.

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    • gaael@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      you’re projecting your own thought processes onto something that has the brain capacity of a plywood door

      Well, research begs to differ. Although I couldn’t find anything on the brain capacity of plywood doors, sheeps and cows definitely have some form of conscience and the ability to feel emotions and pain.
      A litterature review conducted and published by Lori Marino and Kristin Allen (The psychology of cows, 2017) concludes that cows:

      • are able to make sophisticated discriminations among not only objects but humans
      • possess not just simple emotions but several emotional capacities, such as cognitive judgement bias and emotional contagion
      • show an apparent emotionnal reaction to learning which may reflect a sense of self-agency similar to other mammals
      • have distinct personalities
      • exhibit several dimensions of social complexity, including social learning

      Do you know how much a fucking cow is worth? 😂 Farmers are the tightest gits on earth, they’re not out there torturing their profits mate

      Idk how much it’s worth, but I guess it’s a lot. I also know how financially difficult the situation of small-estate farmers is (several commit suicide every month in my country).
      I got a question for you: do you know how much milk a cow would produce for its farmer if it wasn’t repeatedly impregnated and separated from its offspring ? The answer is much less than its current worth.
      I don’t believe that most farmers voluntarily hurt their animals and enjoy it. But in my experience, most of them come from a culture in which the intelligence and emotions of cattle is being negated and we collectively make sure it stays this way because we don’t want to face the incredible amount of suffering we inflict on hundreds of millions of sentient beings every year.

      If you Google “Un agriculteur accusé de maltraitance animale” you’ll find a lot of articles, which means that the laws against the abuse are working

      If you Google “L214 videos” you’ll see a lot of horrific things happening in farms and In slaughterhouses which are still in operation without any additional oversight. There are laws, and sure some stuff is illegal and frowned upon, but it’s leagues away from preventing cattle abuse.

      I’m from rural France btw, and I’ve lived where we produce this “cultural delicacy” called foie-gras, which is still very legal and celebrated as fuck.

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      • Mr_Blott@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Research begs to differ

        I just researched that research you researched and it turned out someone else researching it discovered that the research was extremely misleading and biased -

        pdfs.semanticscholar.org/…/6d22dffefbf88bc4b3a8a1…

        So if your research is right, so is theirs

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• Akasazh@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m not a vegan, but if sharing a opinion online is being militant than I am too.

  The thing you say here might be in jest, but it’s pretty damn grim and uncalled for in itself.

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• BruceTwarzen@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Phahah sure, kill the guy who's against animal torture. You convinced me to eat a burger. A true warrior for your cause.

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• Sizzler@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You don’t speak for anyone. Sssh

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