I’m pretty sure that even a temporary cease fire right now is much better than continuing the blood bath.
Only if the world ends in 6 weeks. Giving up all their leverage for a 6 week truce won't stop Israel's genocide.
I’m pretty sure that even a temporary cease fire right now is much better than continuing the blood bath.
Only if the world ends in 6 weeks. Giving up all their leverage for a 6 week truce won't stop Israel's genocide.
throwwyacc@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
Truly I think if Hamas ceases all hostilities and Israel continues then the UN will actually take a hard stance against Israel
It’s just hard to completely condemn them when the opposition has been firing shitload of rockets at them for ages. Like what should Israel do? Give in to demands made by what is essentially a terrorist group that hasn’t negotiated in the past?
johnlobo@lemmy.world 6 months ago
this is the funniest joke ever. israel is a bully, does a bully stop bullying because the victim don’t fight back?
NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 6 months ago
No way. Not happening. Israel has a 75-year long history of oppressing Palestinians. For comparison Hamas was founded in the 80s to fight against Israeli aggression. If Hamas mattered in this equation there wouldn't be government-sanctioned pogroms happening in the West Bank.
If you look at the history of the conflict you'll notice that rocket attacks started in the Second Intifada after Israel proposed a "peace" deal so bad Israel's foreign affairs minster said he wouldn't take it if he was in Yasser Arafat's place. They then stopped when the Intifada ended and started after Israel's blockade of Gaza. A blockade is an act of war.
And you fell line and sinker for the Israeli propaganda. Hamas has what is likely the longest history of successfully negotiating with Israel in the world (at least when it comes to Palestine). "Hamas doesn't negotiate" is pure nonsense designed to trick people who don't know better. There were multiple Hamas attempts at peace that Israel actively sabotaged.
throwwyacc@lemmynsfw.com 6 months ago
To say Israel has just been oppressing Palestinians for 75 years is reductionist and doesn’t take into account any of the reasons for conflict over that time
Didn’t that minister actually say the conditions weren’t right at the time. And in Arafats place he wouldn’t take the deal. Not that the deal was actually bad? And that’s rhetorical, I’m 80% sure without actually pulling up the direct quote
A blockade is not necessarily an act of war. If attacks are being launched from part of your country and you block certain goods going into the region I’d hardly call that an act of war
Can you point at a time Hamas legitimately put forward a reasonable attempt to negotiate?
NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 6 months ago
No? You should read more about the Nakba. Palestinians in Israel were subject to military rule where they were literal second class citizens until 1966. They still are, but it's less obvious now compared to when they could legally be run out of their homes.
But that aside, the deal was just fucking horrible. Hell, they started with the position that they wouldn't return East Jerusalem no matter what. That's a deal-breaker right there.
Again the Israeli propaganda. First of all, no, a blockade is always an act of war. Israel blockades Gaza by land, sea and air, in complete violation of its territorial integrity. Second, the attacks came after the blockade because Gazans, for obvious reasons, didn't take well to being starved. Third, it's not "certain goods"; it's almost everything, imports and exports. Israel has stated before that they're deliberately keeping the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse.
Let's see...
2008 ceasefire: Hamas followed it while Israel kept up the blockade and airstrikes until the whole thing went under.
2012 ceasefire: Same as above.
2013-2014 united government that Israel opposed at every turn until it collapsed.
Not Hamas but 2014 peace initiative where 'Netanyahu did not move more than an inch".
From what I see here a lot of your image of the conflict comes from bold-faced Israeli propaganda.