I did say USA don’t care, they opposed previous calls to cease fire, I forgot to mention Hamas, they didn’t care when they lit this situation, in fact I’m pretty sure they are getting exactly what they wanted, just as much as the Israeli government is getting what they wanted.
My comment was not about this particular vote, it’s about the leaders not giving a fuck about human life. I’m pretty sure that even a temporary cease fire right now is much better than continuing the blood bath.
NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 3 months ago
Only if the world ends in 6 weeks. Giving up all their leverage for a 6 week truce won't stop Israel's genocide.
throwwyacc@lemmynsfw.com 3 months ago
Truly I think if Hamas ceases all hostilities and Israel continues then the UN will actually take a hard stance against Israel
It’s just hard to completely condemn them when the opposition has been firing shitload of rockets at them for ages. Like what should Israel do? Give in to demands made by what is essentially a terrorist group that hasn’t negotiated in the past?
johnlobo@lemmy.world 3 months ago
this is the funniest joke ever. israel is a bully, does a bully stop bullying because the victim don’t fight back?
NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 3 months ago
No way. Not happening. Israel has a 75-year long history of oppressing Palestinians. For comparison Hamas was founded in the 80s to fight against Israeli aggression. If Hamas mattered in this equation there wouldn't be government-sanctioned pogroms happening in the West Bank.
If you look at the history of the conflict you'll notice that rocket attacks started in the Second Intifada after Israel proposed a "peace" deal so bad Israel's foreign affairs minster said he wouldn't take it if he was in Yasser Arafat's place. They then stopped when the Intifada ended and started after Israel's blockade of Gaza. A blockade is an act of war.
And you fell line and sinker for the Israeli propaganda. Hamas has what is likely the longest history of successfully negotiating with Israel in the world (at least when it comes to Palestine). "Hamas doesn't negotiate" is pure nonsense designed to trick people who don't know better. There were multiple Hamas attempts at peace that Israel actively sabotaged.
throwwyacc@lemmynsfw.com 3 months ago
To say Israel has just been oppressing Palestinians for 75 years is reductionist and doesn’t take into account any of the reasons for conflict over that time
Didn’t that minister actually say the conditions weren’t right at the time. And in Arafats place he wouldn’t take the deal. Not that the deal was actually bad? And that’s rhetorical, I’m 80% sure without actually pulling up the direct quote
A blockade is not necessarily an act of war. If attacks are being launched from part of your country and you block certain goods going into the region I’d hardly call that an act of war
Can you point at a time Hamas legitimately put forward a reasonable attempt to negotiate?