Comment on Meta just showed off Threads’ fediverse integration for the very first time
rotmulaaginskyrim@programming.dev 8 months ago
I don’t mind the threads integration much actually.
Yeah I don’t understand the issue.
People want the fediverse to grow, so FB entering it is a good thing no? Otherwise realistically the fediverse will likely stagnate and always just take up a tiny bit of space.
The more people involved the better. Sometimes I feel this group just wants to shoot themselves in the foot.
I DON’T want the fediverse to grow if that growth is full of extremists, hate groups, porn bots, etc.
But the fediverse already has that lol. I’ve had arguments here with extremists many times.
You won’t just magically cure it by stopping FB from federating.
But we’re talking our current problem but instead expanded into a community 80 times the size of the fediverse. That’s a little more hate than we’ve got now, no?
Lemmy already is full of extremists and hate groups. Perhaps you mean you don’t want hate groups you don’t agree with?
Even if this is somehow true (no clue who you federated with, man), we’re talking a community abt 80 times the size of the fediverse whose owner does not care and will not do anything other than dump its worst upon us.
Even if they aren’t planning EEE, they might just be trying to rid of the fediverse by filling it with junk.
The issue is that Meta’s intention is to extinguish the fediverse, not to add to it. I can’t believe people are still falling for this tactic.
But honestly, the fediverse is tiny and I find it’s not a suitable replacement for anything at the moment. It does need to have more people joining for it to be a complete replacement.
As to whether Meta will extinguish it or not I don’t know, but at least in the short term it could help. I don’t think it’s reasonable to pre-emptively shoot your foot off because you might get gangrene - I’d rather wait to see it and then decide.
The fediverse just needs time to grow. It’s still a very new thing. Growth will take a long time, but it needs to be an alternative to corporate social media, not integrated with malicious actors.
It will be more difficult and damaging to defederate later when Meta starts throwing its weight around, because people will become accustomed to a much larger amount of content. It’s best to never federate with them, even if that means costing growth opportunities in the short term.
I was kind of hoping the hysteria would be over by now. Walled gardens are a bad thing, I'm pleased when holes are poked in them.
“Hysteria”, that’s one way to belittle people.
yeah if threads integration means that i could interact with my friends threads posts with mastodon account i don’t mind it. it’s not like they are gonna use mastodon. maybe there might be a chance that people on threads might visit mastodon once they are fed up with spams on threads.
The chance is higher that threads will add some features mastodon doesn’t support and then people will leave mastodon for threads.
embrace extend extinguish
and break compatibility so that neither of the users won’t be able to share posts properly. yes i am aware of their shenanigans. i am gonna use mastodon even if they make it a sinking ship. plus i hope people realise it doesn’t have porn/spam bots like threads do
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 months ago
The idea that they will destroy it by just… Being a bigger instance? Because they can influence development? Isn’t this shit developed by a tanky? A self-proclaimed stalinist? Why the hell would they capitulate to a megacorp? I’m more worried about the actual developers to ruin this shit than Meta and Threads.
TORFdot0@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Even if you aren’t against federating with threads on principle part of the challenge is going to be able to keep up with moderating their entire user base en-masse and being able to afford the cost of federating content from so many users at once.
It’s a burden I doubt a lot of smaller instances can handle.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 months ago
You make a very good point there. That’s probably the best reasoning to be against federating with them I’ve seen.
Zagorath@aussie.zone 8 months ago
I mostly agree. The one thing I will say in favour of defederation is hate content. Meta has incredibly lax moderation. People can literally say “this person deserves to be killed”, or even “I would absolutely murder this person if I came across them” and Meta will be like “yeah we understand this may be disappointing to you, but we’re gonna allow that to stay” if you report it.
Dnn@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I saw that here, too. Thought about reporting when I saw the sidebar didn’t even have a rule against it (forgot which community though - my app doesn’t present that in an obvious way)
Zagorath@aussie.zone 8 months ago
There’s definitely users who will do that here. There are on any platform open to sign-ups by the general public. But my experience has been that it’s very likely to get removed if mods or admins are made aware. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a positive response on Meta.
Omniraptor@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Yes, by being a bigger instance with piss poor moderation. We’d be overrun with trolls and spammers