I’m sure not every single German during ww2 was a nazi. Your family might not actively support what’s happening but they are passively complicit and beneficiaries of what is happening by remaining in the country.
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toasteecup@lemmy.world 3 months agoI’m assuming you mean the government of Israel, but please be cautious with your statements. Some of my family is Israeli and they certainly don’t support the genocide.
GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
clubb@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m not evennsure if they can just leave at this point
WarlockLawyer@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Why not? Most have access to citizenship from their original countries? Plus the extreme orthodox just threatened to all leave if they get included in the draft
xantoxis@lemmy.world 3 months ago
their original countries
What? Most Israelis were born in Israel, just as you would find in any other nation on Earth.
Pipoca@lemmy.world 3 months ago
The fathers of 44% of Israel were born in Israel. I doubt they have dual citizenship, just as most Americans don’t have dual citizenship to their grandparents and great grandparents countries of origin.
Also, most Mizrahim and Sephardim these days are living in Israel, similarly to how most Ashkenazim are in the US. Even if an Israeli somehow has e.g. Iraqi, Iranian or Yemeni citizenship, moving back probably isn’t a safe idea. Morocco is probably safer, though.
After the fall of the USSR, there was also a huge wave of Russian emigration to Israel. Given conscription for the war in Ukraine, moving back now might not be the best idea.
toasteecup@lemmy.world 3 months ago
… Did you just compare my family to Nazis? Jfc I’m not drunk enough for this.
GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 3 months ago
I compare them to germans who aren’t nazis living passively in nazi germany. If your family isn’t actively against what Israel is doing they are passively supporting it.
toasteecup@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’d recommend talking with someone else dude. I don’t care what opinion you have anymore, you already fucked up. Without even knowing how they are trying to fight you, you automatically assumed and compar d them to Nazis. We done here.
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Lots of people say “fuck America” but I’m not upset by it personally. They’re not saying “fuck Israelis”
dalekcaan@lemm.ee 3 months ago
Yeah I live in America and I say fuck America all the time
lefaucet@slrpnk.net 3 months ago
Good points. Its rough being a member of the majority that is not in agreement with the governmental official line. Like I’m pretty sure most Russians hate putin, most Israeli s hate Bibi, most Chinese hate Xi and most USians hate both Biden and Trump… But here we all are, just trying to do right by people as best we can while still keeping our families from being destroyed by the pressures that be.
We just gotta keep the pressure up. Dont let the bastards grind you down. They are getting paid by some of the richest folks on the planet to do just that, while you have to make an honest living… Dont let them win. Keep your heart open to your neighbors and beyond
toasteecup@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I suppose I’m different then, I try to reserve my displeasure to the particular group or groups I dislike
A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 3 months ago
They are talking about a particular group, not the entire population like you seem to have taken it. When people say “fuck America”, they’re talking about the American powers that be (the government, corporations, military, etc. depending on context).
In this context, “fuck Israel” clearly is talking about the military powers. In religious contexts, some denominations of Abrahamic religions might say “fuck Israel” and that wouldn’t mean the citizens either, it’d mean the religious institutions.
toasteecup@lemmy.world 3 months ago
For discussion’s sake, I’d say that our definitions are different. For me, when someone says country that’s both the government and the citizenry of the country. Based on what you’re saying that means just the government of the country. Both are valid definitions given the flexibility of the English language.