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Comment on Zionists doing a rave to block aid trucks at Ker Shalom crossing while Palestinians are starving

S_204@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

There’s no brainwashing needed to be able to read a history book at every turn. It’s been the Arabs who have attacked and the Israelis who have defended.

And just like we saw in October Palestinians struck out and now they’re crying because they’re losing yet another war they start. It’s an age-old tactic for Arabs to use human suffering in order to garner sympathy from the West, and it works for good reason. Nothing has changed since it was pointed out that peace will not come until Arabs love their children as much as they hate Jews and nothing will change until they stop raising martyrs and start deradicalizing their people. Defunding UNRWA is a good first step.

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Keeponstalin@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What history books are you reading?

Antisemitism in Islam and Arab World

British Mandate Period:

The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948

Palestinian Arab Congress advocating for Unified State 1928

1929 Riots from Forward and 972Mag

Shaw Commission

Peel Commission Report and Memorandum of the Arab Higher Committee 1937

1936-1939 Revolt from JVL, Britannica, MEE

Irgun and Lehi activity

What Hitler and the Grand Mufti Really Said: Time, Haaretz, WaPo

Yosef Weitz’ unofficial Transfer Committee and the JNF. Which has dispossessed Palestinians to present day. 972mag, MEE, Haaretz

1948 to 1967:

Plan Dalet and Declassified Massacres

Additional context of what was detailed in Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948)

Arab League advocating for unified state 1948

1967 war Declassified

Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations practiced in the occupied territories after 1967

How the US became the ally of Israel

UK influence

Occupation:

Occupation and 50 years of dispossession

1st Intifada AJ, PBS, Haaretz

Oslo Accords MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ

2nd Intifada AJ, Haaretz

Gaza Blockade is Occupation

Dahiya Doctrine

Arab Israelis are not equal including Education (2001 report)

Palestinian Prisoners in Israel and Military Court

Child abuse of Palestinian prisoners

Apartheid

Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)

Settler Violence, Torture and Abuse in Interrogations, No freedom of movement, and also Water control

Gaza March for Return Protest

Palestinians lack civil rights

Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017

History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012

AWRAD Gaza War Poll

PCPSR Public Opinion Poll Dec 2023

History of peace process

One State Solution, Foreign Affairs archived here

10 Myths of Israel

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- stoly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  lol can’t help but notice that they didn’t respond again
  
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  - S_204@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The gish gallop doesn’t change the fact that the Arab Nations instigated and started every war since the inception of Israel. Half of those posts affirm Arab aggression as well.
    
    Also notably missing from the list is the near million Jews ethnically cleansed from the Arab countries surrounding Israel in the 40s. For all the talk of the Nakba, there were more Jews displaced than Arabs. Yet one group accepted reality and built a nation. The other is still fighting a war they lost 3 generations ago.
    
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    stoly@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    lol didn’t even read it
    
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- S_204@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’ve read most of what you’ve posted here in my university education. Plenty of back and forth, are you denying the fact that the Arab Nations instigated and were the aggressors in each of the wars started since the inception of Israel?
  
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  - Keeponstalin@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Somehow, I’m not convinced you read any of the links. Did you know over 250 thousand Palestinians were forcibly displaced before Israel declared independence?
    
    Between 1948 (when Israel declared independence) and 1966, Palestinian citizens of Israel were subject to military rule. After 1966, martial law was lifted but to this day they continue to suffer from widespread, systematic and institutionalized discrimination affecting everything from land ownership and employment opportunities to family reunification rights. Today, there are approximately 1.9 million (Updated December 2019) Palestinian citizens of Israel, comprising about 21% of Israel’s population.
    
    There are more than 50 laws that discriminate against Palestinian citizens of Israel. directly or indirectly, based solely on their ethnicity, rendering them second or third class citizens in their own homeland.
    
    By August 1937, “transfer” was a major subject of discussion at the Twentieth Zionist Congress in Zurich, Switzerland. Alluding to the systematic dispossession of Palestinian peasants (fellahin) that Zionist organizations had been engaged in for years, David Ben-Gurion, who would become Israel’s first prime minister in 1948, stated: “You are no doubt aware of the [Jewish National Fund’s] activity in this respect. Now a transfer of a completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Arab fellahin.” He concluded: “Jewish power [in Palestine], which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out this transfer on a large scale.”
    
    By the time the state of Israel was declared on May 14, 1948, more than 200 Palestinian villages had already been emptied as people fled in fear or were forcibly expelled by Zionist forces, and approximately 175,000 Palestinians had been made refugees. By 1949, at least 750,000 Palestinians had been made refugees, losing their land, homes and other belongings in what became known as the “Nakba” (“catastrophe”). Their flight was accelerated by massacres such as the one that took place on April 9, 1948, at Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, where approximately 100 Palestinian men, women, and children were murdered by Zionist paramilitaries. Today, refugees displaced during Israel’s creation and their descendants number approximately 7.1 million people.
    
    Military administrative government was in effect from 1949 to 1966 over some geographical areas of Israel having large Arab populations, primarily the Negev, Galilee, and the Triangle. The residents of these areas were subject to martial law. The Israel Defense Forces enforced strict residency rules. Any Arab not registered in a census taken during November 1948 was deported. Permits from the military governor had to be procured to travel more than a given distance from a person’s registered place of residence, and curfew, administrative detentions, and expulsions were common. Although the military administration was officially for geographical areas, and not people, its restrictions were seldom enforced on the Jewish residents of these areas. In the early 1950s, martial law ceased to be in effect for those Arab citizens living in predominantly Jewish cities of Jaffa, Ramla, and Lod, constituting a total of approximately 15% of the Arab population of Israel. But military rule remained in place on the remaining Arab population elsewhere within Israel until 1966.
    
    The documents describe detailed preparations that were made in the military in the years before 1967, with the intention of organizing in advance the control of territories that the defense establishment assessed – with high certainty – would be conquered in the next war. A perusal of the information indicates that the takeover and retention of these areas – the West Bank from Jordan, the Sinai Peninsula and Gaza Strip from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria – were not a by-product of the fighting, but the manifestation of a strategic approach and prior preparations.
    
    Following the 1967 war, in which the Israeli army occupied the West Bank, Gaza Strip, the Golan Heights in Syria, and the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt, martial law over the Palestinian population as well as the Jordanian, Syrian, and Egyptian populations in these areas was put in place. In 1993, the Oslo I agreements facilitated limited self-rule for Palestinians under the Palestinian National Authority. Officially, only parts of Area C in the West Bank are under martial law.
    
    The first intifada erupted 25 years ago. What started as local demonstrations snowballed into a sweeping popular uprising that did not die down until the convening of the Madrid peace conference at the end of 1991. The intifada reinvigorated the Palestine Liberation Organization, which was at a low ebb in its history after its forced evacuation from Lebanon and the concomitant loss of the military and political option. More important, the intifada shifted the focal point of the Palestinian national struggle from the “outside” to the “inside.”
    
    The Second Intifada, also known as the Al-Aqsa Intifada, was a major uprising by Palestinians against the Israeli occupation, characterized by a period of heightened violence in the Palestinian territories and Israel between 2000 and 2005. The general triggers for the unrest are speculated to have been centered on the failure of the 2000 Camp David Summit, which was expected to reach a final agreement on the Israeli–Palestinian peace process in July 2000. An uptick in violent incidents started in September 2000, after Israeli politician Ariel Sharon made a provocative visit to the Al-Aqsa compound, which is situated atop the Temple Mount in East Jerusalem; the visit itself was peaceful, but, as anticipated, sparked protests and riots that Israeli police put down with rubber bullets, live ammunition, and tear gas. Within the first few days of the uprising, the IDF had fired one million rounds of ammunition.
    
    The “great march” entailed weekly demonstrations by Palestinians near the fence that since 1996 has separated Gaza and Israel (along the Green Line traced by the armistice agreements of 1949), demanding that the blockade imposed on Gaza be lifted and the return of Palestinian refugees. Prior to the first demonstration, Israeli forces reinforced their positions at the fence with additional troops, including more than 100 sharpshooters. They dropped leaflets in Gaza and contacted Palestinian bus companies to warn against participation. At the demonstration sites, they strengthened the separation fence and its underground barrier (to prevent and detect cross-border tunnels), installed kilometres of barbed wire coils on the Gazan side as additional barriers, cleared vegetation on both sides, dug deep trenches on the Israeli side and erected a battery of earth mounds or berms onto which snipers were positioned for better visibility and shooting accuracy. The rules of engagement apparently permitted live fire at demonstrators as a last resort in the event of imminent threat to life or limb of Israeli soldiers or civilians. They permitted snipers to shoot at the legs of “main inciters” as a means to prevent a demonstrating crowd from crossing the separation fence, because the Israeli forces viewed crossing as a potential imminent threat, in part because the crowd might include militants. The rules also permitted the use of lethal force against any demonstrators ”directly participating in hostilities”, such as an armed attack against Israeli forces.
    
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SkippingRelax@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Wow, the other guy already addressed the history books part but I wanted to stop for a second and focus on

It’s an age-old tactic for Arabs to […]

Wonder how people would take it if we were addressing the other party in this conflict, and someone like you would throw in a gross generalisation, pointing out that it goes back a long time.

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- S_204@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  LoL, like gross generalizing hasn’t warped the word Zionist into the updated version of dirty Jew.
  
  The history remains the same, the surrounding Arab Nations have been attacking Israel since it’s inception. they refuse to acknowledge Israel and they continue to feed bodies into martyrdom in the name of their goal of a pan arabian caliphate. The wild thing is they don’t even deny it, but the West refuses to accept their own words.
  
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  - Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I can give multiple examples of group members who disagree with elements of their group so substantively, they split off and form new groups. Schisms are normal reactions to outside/inside actors co-opting or directing a group, Mensheviks and Bolsheviks, Protestants and Catholics, America and the Commonwealth…
    
    If you’re upset that something is being done by a group you’re a part of, who openly declares to be working towards a goal that is unpopular outside the group, leave the group. There are plenty of Jews and Jewish groups that reject revisionist Zionism and/or Kahanism, the notion of Jewishness is not owned by a political party nor ideology. Claiming any criticism of the movement is a dog whistle is unconvincing and disingenuous to the reader
    
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  - SkippingRelax@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    So its okay for you to do it? Must be confusing to be you mate. I won’t even touch the second part, someone posted a few links before, since you keep mentioning ‘history’ it might be time to start reading about it instead if just making things up
    
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    S_204@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Most of those links supported the position that Arabs are the aggressors FFS. Did you even read them?
    
    I’m very familiar with the history of this region, and I’m very positive that it was not the Israelis who started the wars they’ve suffered from.
    
    It’s actually perfectly fine for Israel to defend itself, that much was made clear in the ICJ ruling. What the ruling didn’t establish though is that there’s a genocide happening.
    
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Lmaydev@programming.dev ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Some nice racism in there.

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- S_204@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Being Arab isn’t a race and if it was I’d be saying it about myself.
  
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yeahiknow3@lemmings.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The problem with your hypothesis is that all of us can read a history book, and yet precious few would agree with the majority of Israeli citizens that murdering and torturing countless children is justified.

Again, if someone were persecuted, why would that make him want to murder innocent children? It makes no logical sense. The only explanation is brainwashing and religious zealotry.

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