Comment on Intel accused of inflating CPU benchmark results

• Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I remember specifically P4 was vastly overrated by Intel, where Athlon was actually generally faster at math, Intel used specially compiled code to show P4 was faster.
  But there were several examples where Intel cheated, because Athlon was way better than P4.

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  • czardestructo@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I as not expecting to read about socket A tonight but I still have a special place in my heart for my old athlon. I still have the CPU somewhere in my basement, I had that sucker over clocked for years and it played a lot of WoW on it.

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  • JackFrostNCola@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To be fair google ultron alwways ran more efficiently on Pentium 4s

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    • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yea, I suppose NASA optimizes for Intel.

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  • mindlight@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m not going to say you’re wrong but I’m surprised. It’s like we lived in alternate universes.

    Not that I think Intel wouldn’t cheat, because they’ve showed what they’re “capable of” time after time, but what I remember about Athlon vs P4 was that there was something about heat and wattage specified by AMD that was criticized heavily. Athlon was also not something you’d choose for overclock because of this.

    I just googled a little and there didn’t seem to be a trace of any controversy around P4 and tailormade compiler.

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    • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh boy the Tom’s Hardware “scandal”. That story was 100% planted by Intel. It was before Athlon though, it was the K6. If the cooler dropped off, the AMD thermal safety didn’t react quickly enough. In my 40 years in IT I have NEVER heard about a cooler falling off the socket even once, except for that paid for cesspool of shit article.
      That story together with the 180° they did on RAMBUS to fgavor P¤ have made me NEVER use TOM’s Hardware since. It was 100% dishonest paid for shilling. Either that or so idiotic it’s not worth reading. Even you mentioning that now about 30 years later, it still pisses me off. 🤬 🤬 🤬

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      • mindlight@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So the journalists are still covering for Intel to this day 15 years later, but the enthusiasts know the truth?

        I’m still not saying you’re wrong but you have to admit it’s kinda strange a quick Google doesn’t reveal anything?

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      • QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So they put out an article claiming that the thermal safety was defective, and the thermal safety was defective, and you see that as some grandiose conspiracy perpetrated by Intel? And you’re still upset about it?

        Even if Intel did discover and publish the defect, what exactly did they do wrong? I would reasonably expect AMD and Intel to be testing each other’s hardware constantly. Would you have preferred that Intel didn’t publish their findings?

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    • Kangie@lemmy.srcfiles.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There absolutely was. Intel got smacked on the wrist for doing their benchmarks using ICC… you know, the compiler that builds code that detects that it’s not running on an Intel CPU and disables all optimisations and extended instruction sets (like say MMX/SSE).

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      • mindlight@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Let me repeat myself: I’m not defending Intel in any way. I’ve seen a lot of shit and murky business practices going down since the beginning of the 90’s when I started my career in IT, so I have no trouble believing that Intel did it again and again.

        However, it’s not that hard to back claims you make with facts when on the internet. Normally ou can link whatever with two clicks maximum.

        Still no one seems to want to help me read up on Pentium 4 and Intel cheating.

        The ICC “optimization”, as far as I remember it, was related to the Xeon line of processors. If it was P4 related, please link so that I can read up on it.

        [General Rant and not about you]I really don’t understand why it’s so hard for people to post links that back their claims. If you post a link you give people the opportunity to learn. If you don’t, it’s like you just want to be right and nothing else.

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    • MeanEYE@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Oh AMD was definitely a cooking stove, but get a decent heat sink and paste and you are good to go.

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