Comment on “In 10 years, computers will be doing this a million times faster.” The head of Nvidia does not believe that there is a need to invest trillions of dollars in the production of chips for AI

Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• ryannathans@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Twice for AI or computing in general?

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Why does that make a difference? Compute for AI is build on the progress for compute first for GPU then for data center. They are similar in nature.

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    • ryannathans@aussie.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Building an ASIC for purpose built computation is significantly faster than generic gpu compute cores. Like when ASICs were built for bitcoin mining/sha256 and a little 5 watt usb device could outperform the best GPUs

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      • frezik@midwest.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It may be even more specialized than that. It might be a return to analog computers.

        Which isn’t going to work for Nvidia’s traditional products, either.

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      • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The H200 is evolved from Nvidia GPU designs, and will be by far the most powerful AI component in existence when it arrives later this year, AI is now so complex, that it doesn’t really make sense to call it an ASIC, and the cost is $40,000.- so no not small 5 watt units.

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    • fidodo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There’s also software improvements to consider, there’s a lot of room for efficiency improvements.

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• rhebucks-zh@incremental.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  https://lemmy.world/comment/7569717

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  • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yes, but usually we keep those 2 kinds of optimizations separate, only combining chip design and production process. Because if the software is optimized, the hardware isn’t really doing the same thing.
    So yes AI speed may increase more than just the hardware, but for the most sophisticated systems, the tasks will be more complex, which may again slow the software down.
    So I think they will never be able to achieve it even when considering software optimizations too. Just the latest Tesla cars boast about 4 times higher resolution cameras, that will require 4 times the processing power to process.
    We are not where we want to be, and the systems of the future will clearly be more complex, and on the software are more likely to be slower than faster.

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    • rhebucks-zh@incremental.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      even software that does the same thing gets slower example: Microsoft Office, Amazon, the web in general, etc.

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      • Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That is so true, increased complexity tend to slow things down.

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