Well because the struggling people are blaming you when you don’t tip. They should blame the restaurant owner. But they blame the diner instead.
That’s why people take servers/waiters as the “enemy”
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Rooter@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“Other struggling people are not the enemy”.
Op is jeff bezos alt account.
Cringe2793@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
I definitely don’t see servers who support tipping as ‘the enemy’, just idiots.
I was literally a server for years too.
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
How about we all agree that restaurant owners are the enemy? I don’t care that the 20 year old server working for the weekend doesn’t understand the nuance of the labor they engage in. They’re being exploited and you think that they’re the root cause of tipping culture, when in fact, it’s always been the restaurant owners.
Cringe2793@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I think you’re deliberately misinterpreting what I’m saying. I am saying they should blame the restaurant owner.
But it certainly doesn’t help the situation when the server is blaming you and being hostile because you didn’t tip enough.
recapitated@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Doesn’t matter who gets blamed, if things were corrupt the customer would be paying the same amount as tipping that much. Tipping culture just gives the customer a chance to shirk.
Cringe2793@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Well if you are calling it “shirk” then it’s basically required. If it’s required why even give the illusion of a choice?
recapitated@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s my point. Tipping culture is stupid.
Consumers should pay the cost to consume, including materials, operations and staffing.
It’s not an illusion of choice, it is a choice, and a choice that abuses workers and confuses customers.
hyperhopper@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Disagree. Most servers and bartenders are in favor of tipping culture and want it to stay this way with zero wages and societally enforced tips.
Yes, the corporations are the enemy, but these other struggling people are on the side of the actual enemy.
Jennykichu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Of course they’re in favor of it you idiot its how they make a reasonable living. The people choosing to go to a restaurant are not victims in this arrangement.
If you can’t afford to dine out then maybe demand your boss pay you more. They’re the ones screwing you, not the waitress at Olive Garden.
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Well sure, anyone would. If you give me $20 on a $100 bill, and you were in my section for an hour with 5-6 tables that all had similar bills and tipping percentage, I’d be ecstatic! That doesn’t mean it’s a good system for everyone. Hot girls make the most amount of tips while dudes serving break their back to make 15%. That hot 20 year old server that you had last time you went out to eat goes to Mexico once a month on her tips.
hyperhopper@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Exactly, so the people in favor of keeping the fucked up system are part of the problem
atyaz@reddthat.com 8 months ago
Or even to use this same example, why not blame the restaurant owner? They can choose to pay their waiters well and tell customers there’s no need for tipping.
dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
This is the point that 50% of North Americans don’t understand. The restaurant owners have set the culture, and they exploit young people and customers alike. However, 50% of people think they’re entitled to eat out and therefore entitled to not tip, which only rewards the scummy restaurant owner for having exploitative business practices. Choosing to eat out and not tip makes tipping culture WORSE.
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
The idiot pro-tipping customers will still tip. They’ll try to sneak a tip and dumb shit like that. And I’m not about to blame a server for accepting free money.
But what price is fair? How is the owner supposed to just guess that?
I’d argue the wage that an employee voluntarily agrees to is about the fairest system possible: Make job posting, state the wage and job requirements, and people who find the wage fair then apply for it. I don’t see why this works fine in literally all other industries.
atyaz@reddthat.com 8 months ago
There’s nothing wrong with tipping. It’s the required tipping that’s the problem. What’s fair is a fair salary. Waiters are paid like $2 an hour because the restaurant owners are allowed to take tips into consideration, which is what I’m arguing against.
Rediphile@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
Required tipping isn’t a thing. Tipping is, by definition, always optional.