These are reasons why the economy, politicians, and your employer are failing you. Be upset with the people who create and maintain the system, not other people like you who are just trying to escape their own shitty work situations with a beer and a cheeseburger. It shouldn’t be their job to pay you directly. People in other industries don’t accept a pay structure like that and you shouldn’t either.
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Goldenboy@lemm.ee 8 months ago
No tiping means meals get more expensive. Easy as that. It is a bit strange to me that people going out to eat and drink, stick it to us waiters and barkeepers and cooks.
I worked at many small places where the owners where struggling to keep everything afloat.
I do also wish there was no need for tips, but truth is that would scare many guests away and would take time to adapt. Time in wich id be broke af.
krashmo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
momo420@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Are you trolling?
Do I have a perfect idea for you, for a restaurant - you can order anything you like and the bill is always going to be $1.00. But at the end the restaurant chooses the tip amount.
WOW that’s crazy, just 1 buck 😲. And the customers will always be happy because the meals are not expensive.
samus12345@lemmy.world 8 months ago
No tiping means meals get more expensive.
Which is fine as long as it works out to be what it would be with a standard tip. That’s how it should be.
SuicideSorcerer@lemm.ee 8 months ago
If tipping went away the food shouldn’t be more expensive to the consumer, the restaurant owner should take a pay cut and pay their employees better. Why does everyone always assume that if minimum wage went up or if tipping went away that the customer would absorb the cost?
IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 8 months ago
Why does everyone always assume that if minimum wage went up or if tipping went away that the customer would absorb the cost?
There’s no technical reason for why, just based on current evidence where 100% of the time producers shove any increase in cost to consumers.
You’re correct that there’s nothing technically preventing producers from eating the increase, it’s just that they’ve never done so, at least in the US.
Only real example where that has happen was with Nintendo and the WiiU. I’m sure there’s more but the fact I’m drawing blank past that but could name you over a thousand times when the cost was shoved off to consumers kind of is my point in a nutshell.
So that said, that’s why a lot of people just assume increase in cost of production equals increase in cost to consumers.
SuicideSorcerer@lemm.ee 8 months ago
You’re right but I guess my point is that we’re already talking about a hypothetical situation so ideally if we’re adjusting wages and tipping culture, then the responsibility would be put on the employer.
IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 8 months ago
I guess my point is that we’re already talking about a hypothetical situation
Oh okay, fair enough. Yeah ideally that’s the direction it preferably should go in.
GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Currently servers are currently paid minimum $2.13/hour. If they don’t make enough after tips to equal minimum wage over a pay period ($7.25/hour), then the restaurant is required to pay them up to that minimum wage.
Labor costs for servers, bartenders, and others caught in this legal loophole would have to increase by 7-fold to get up to $15/hour. Many restaurants and bars wouldn’t be able to afford that large of an increase without raising prices, given that many have a profit margin between 3-6% per several sources.
There have been some restaurants that have raised wages closer to $15/hour with varying success, but that hasn’t caught on widely yet.
SuicideSorcerer@lemm.ee 8 months ago
Well then if a business can’t operate without underpaying their employees or passing the financial burden to the customer then maybe their business doesn’t deserve to stay open.
GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 8 months ago
That’s not really relevant. My reply was in response to statement that food shouldn’t be more expensive to the consumer with tipping removed. Obviously the revenue for the servers to be paid has to come from somewhere, so it’s either coming from the price of food or tips. If we get rid of tipping, the restaurant will have to raise prices to cover that cost.
Huge chains could more easily pay a better wage than family-owned restaurants.
grte@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
This is the truth. If you want the industry to change, don’t go to restaurants who do the tipping model. If you go to these places and don’t tip in some misguided attempt to change things, guess what. The owner just felt zero difference. They got paid 100% what they were expecting. It’s the waitstaff who just felt it. So why would the restaurant owner, the guy with the power to change things and not notable for giving a shit about their staff, care about your protest at all? Assuming they notice which they aren’t going to.
The only way to actually mount financial pressure on these places is to not go to them.
Of course, I assume most people who claim to be not tipping as some form of protest against the system just want to take advantage of the lower prices allowable by the lowered wage that waitstaff receive while claiming to be doing it for some higher goal.
NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 8 months ago
Nah, I hate tipping because of the fact that it is on a percentage.
I just order to go, food quality is a little lower than straight from the kitchen, the company is better though
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 months ago
No tiping means meals get more expensive.
Do they really get more expensive, or do you just pay the “more expensive” meal price with what would be an expected tip anyway? And no matter what, prices are gonna go up anyway, so we might not even notice those increases.
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
The prices would be the same. They just wouldnt be hidden anymore
moriquende@lemmy.world 8 months ago
what’s the difference then? At the end of the day the guests scared away are the ones who wouldn’t have left a tip in the first place.