Comment on Bridgy Fed, a bridge between the Fediverse and other protocols such as BlueSky, is using an opt-out model and that raises a lot of discussion

• sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Isn’t this the same logic used to justify using our posts to train large language models?

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  • rglullis@communick.news ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No. There is a difference in context and intent.

    Bottom line is, if people are concerned of having their conversation and content distributed out of their intended audiences, we’ll all have to move to a fully encrypted network, where every message can only be decoded by the intended recipients. Getting upset because other people are not agreeing to your expectations of privacy is pointless.

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    • sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect that platforms you’re not a member don’t host content you create in order to make it look at though their platform is more popular and vibrant than it is, thus generating revenue of which you’re not going to get a share of.

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      • rglullis@communick.news ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        their platform

        Can we please get out of this tribal mindset? The thing about decentralized systems is that it lets everyone where they want to be without being forced into a walled garden. Why should I care about the platform that other people are using, if I can reach this just the same?

        Who cares if Bluesky or Nostr become more popular than ActivityPub? As long as the “platform” is open source and not actively working to hold its users as hostages, we should praise and hope they get to grow as large as possible. We should be fighting against the big corporations, not the small independent developers. There are almost 3 billion people using Twitter/Facebook/Reddit/TikTok. They are the ones that we should be actively engaging and trying to win them over to our side.

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      • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Assuming you hold rights to your content in the legal system you’d be claiming the damages in, you are of course free to file a lawsuit.

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      • nutomic@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Where exactly does a “platform” end? Is it only lemmy.tf, or all Lemmy instances? Either way Mastodon or Peertube can hardly be considered to be the same platform as Lemmy. Activitypub is a protocol and definitely not a platform. Or would you consider threads.net part of your “platform” once it implements Activitypub?

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  • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And also by the bots we use to copy reddit content here, I presume? 😛

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    • sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m actually not a fan of copying Reddit content over to here either. I’m at least consistent that in my thought processes.

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      • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Fair enough.

        I don’t even truly know where I stand if I had to personally decide it. I guess i’m one of those filthy Neutrals, I have no strong opinion either way. 😑

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  • FaceDeer@kbin.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    What's wrong with the logic used to justify using public data to train large language models?

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    • sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t even like the fact that we’re forced to train AI via captcha. When we start getting paid for what we put in, I’ll reconsider my stance.

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