Individual transportation is the number one cause of preventable road fatalities, human or machine doesn’t matter.
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masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months agoThis is dumb as fuck. Human drivers are literally the number one cause of preventable fatalities.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Individual transportation is the number one cause of preventable road fatalities,
You will literally never build a society where you remove taxis, deliveries, moving large furniture / household items, etc. without some form of enclosed motorized transportation (a car for the purposes of this discussion).
human or machine doesn’t matter
If we make machines that are safer than humans than yeah, it will.
barsoap@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Even in an ideally car-free society, you will literally never be able to get rid of taxis, deliveries, moving large furniture / household items, etc. without some form of enclosed motorized transportation (a car for the purposes of this discussion).
That’s not individual transportation. None of it. But now that you mention it: Do imagine how your cities would look like if those were the only vehicles on the roads.
If we make machines that are safer than humans than yeah, it will.
Malaria might be less severe than the black death still doesn’t mean I want to catch it.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Well the don’t shift goal posts to “individual transportation” when we’re talking about people thrashing a self driving car.
They didn’t trash a gas guzzler.
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
The fact that a thing most people do and some for hours daily has a large effect shouldn’t be surprising
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
The fact that a thing most people do and some for hours daily has a large effect shouldn’t be surprising
Oh wow, what good reasoning!
Let’s all take up smoking cigarettes indoors all day, it’s fine that’s incredibly dangerous and kills people on a literal daily basis because everyone’s doing it, so the effect shouldn’t be surprising!
/s
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
That’s not the argument I’m making. What I’m saying is that if you only take the raw numbers for a given event into account, and don’t consider the population of the event, then you can make any event affecting a large population look like an urgent affair when it’s not so urgent
Human driven cars should be replaced with automation (or even better, automated public transportation) as soon as it’s viable. It’s not yet, so rushing for corporations to put their unsafe vehicles on the street should not be rushed. Because then the only thing you’ll rush is transforming human driver fatalities into robotic driver fatalities, and you never know how worse things can get
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
and don’t consider the population of the event, then you can make any event affecting a large population look like an urgent affair when it’s not so urgent
How is this different from my cigarettes analogy? You’re just arguing it’s not a big deal that hundreds of people are dying on a daily basis, because a lot of people drive.
rushing for corporations to put their unsafe vehicles on the street should not be rushed
Fully agreed.
Human driven cars should be replaced with automation (or even better, automated public transportation) as soon as it’s viable. It’s not yet
Except that it is. Waymo already has a safer per mile rating than human drivers.
circuscritic@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Great, so anything that humans do that can potentially harm another human, should be given to the algorithms instead?
Sure, they’re private for-profit blackbox algorithms, but it’s obviously better then letting humans do things.
Don’t worry, I’m sure once the tech oligarchs have secured just another 25% control over our daily lives, they’ll start the giving back and bettering humanity parts of their business plans.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Great, so anything that humans do that can potentially harm another human, should be given to the algorithms instead?
Uh yeah, once it’s proven safer why wouldn’t you?
Because you’re scared of the word algorithm?
Don’t worry, I’m sure once the tech oligarchs have secured just another 25% control over our daily lives, they’ll start the giving back and bettering humanity parts of their business plans.
You seem to have an issue with wealth distribution, not autonomous vehicles.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 months ago
You seem to have an issue with wealth distribution, not autonomous vehicles.
How much could an autonomous car cost Michael, $10?
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
We’re talking about a taxi service, not an individual’s car. Waymo is not example of wealth inequality, unless the brush you use is as broad as "requires technology to run = tech bro devilry’.
charonn0@startrek.website 11 months ago
I wouldn’t hang my hat on that statistic until after autonomous cars make up a significant portion of cars on the road.
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Difference being that human drivers are already at their limit for how good they can drive, but self driving cars have the potential to exceed us.
BmeBenji@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Ultron? Is that you?
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 months ago
Humans are literally responsible for all preventable things in society. This take is also “dumb as fuck”
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Did I says “humans” or did I say “human drivers”? We’re not talking about liquidating all humans, we’re talking about replacing them at the task of driving.
Totally no other spots in society where machines have replaced formerly human done tasks to make work safer, what a crazy idea that is right! /s
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 months ago
Yes and saying “human drivers” are often at fault when talking about smashing up motor vehicles is just as silly.
As you can also say; Hey, did you know that 100% of deaths related with driverless cars involved software?
masterspace@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
Yes, except that we can then compare which is safer.
So far, when done gradually and responsibly, it turns out that software seems safer.