Comment on Gel and lithium-ion tech could enable 1000-mile EV range on one charge

• Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Exactly. Ideally in cities and surrounding suburbs we would want public transportation and no cars. Cars should really be reserved for the more rural places anyway.

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  • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Then you need to figure out the range issue.

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• Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You just need a charging station every hundred kilometres or so, that’s perfectly doable even in sparsely populated areas. In fact, this kind of infrastructure is far easier to roll out than gas stations.

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  • Hyperlon@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’d rather not refuel in -20F weather on a single trip. Add in a trailer and a road trip becomes a charging trip with intermittent driving.

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Good thing we make decisions based on something that happens for a few days out of the entire year.

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      • Hyperlon@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This isn’t like the consequences of adding a water filter means you now have to change a water filter every year, this is something that would turn a vacation into something unenjoyable. Meaning it’s a decision that would make you give up that type of vacation if that’s your only car. It’s a sacrifice not an inconvenience.

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    • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yep. People in the city, EVs are fine. For those of us who haul or have to drive farther than 20 miles it becomes an issue. It’s not there just yet for us. I’m still holding out for hydrogen ICE motors.

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      • Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Where do you get the idea from that an EV only has 20 miles of range? Have you ever even seen an EV let some driven one?

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      • die444die@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I agree that increased range would be better - I’ve had cars (diesel) that could get nearly 600 miles on one tank and that allows you to do a lot more wandering though the countryside that is just not possible in an ev in the rural US. But it’s way more than 20 miles. Did you mean 200 miles?

        I’m currently on a road trip in my 2021 EV and it can definitely be made to work, but it is definitely limiting on any spontaneous side excursions you find, which can be a pretty big bummer.

        Double the range would definitely be appreciated for my use cases.

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    • Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, we should make all our infrastructure decisions based on the rarest edge cases.

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      • Hyperlon@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You do what you want. But I’ll make my infrastructure decisions based on my edge cases. Others will as well. Sometimes those edge cases are important to people.

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  • books@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Not to be a dick but do you realize how rural rural America is?

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      To be a dick, have you actually measured distances between gas stations in rural America and thought about how this would work if we replaced them with chargers?

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      • books@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m not saying we shouldn’t but range is important especially to rural drivers… and super important to wide scale adoption

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    • Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They have electricity there, don’t they?

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  • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wait you think digging a hole and putting in a few tanks to store gas is harder than having substations near by to power super charge stations?

    The answer is no, no it is not easier or cheaper.

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    • Diplomjodler@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      So what do they power those gas pumps with? Electricity, by any chance?

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      • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You do understand a 400amp service is usually what those stations run off of right? You’re not getting multiple super chargers from 400amps. You need substations for them.

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• frezik@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Let’s take the absolute worst case I could find for North America: in Quebec between Matagami and Radisson there is a 620km (390mi) distance between gas stations. This exceeds the range of many ICE cars, but let’s continue. It gets real cold up there, and there’s a few days out of the year where it’s well below 0F. So let’s increase that distance by 40% to get to about 550mi.

  There is one EV on the market right now with a 516mi range, the Lucid Air. So it can’t quite make it under the absolute worst case conditions, but neither could many ICE cars.

  This problem is completely overblown.

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  • SupraMario@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Gas cans do exist. You can’t carry a substation with you.

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    • frezik@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Great, that will help you drive right past the point.

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