Thank you for your insight. I feel like AP cares more about the community, while nostr is about the individual.
Different kind of people will choose different approaches
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ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months agoJust like AP, the bigot can join another instance/relay, if an instance has bad moderation policy, your relay can block that instance/relay entirely.
By your own admission, this doesn’t happen though. One relay is the same as the other, and that’s because the bigot can just use multiple relays as well, making the effort of an admin blocking them largely a waste of time.
They can do this in AP too.
They can’t though, because on AP, an instance that constantly spawns bigots with throw away accounts gets defederated, and that means that bigots have a barrier that doesn’t exist on Nostr. On nostr they can create unlimited accounts and use unlimited relays to broadcast their content, relying on the admins to block each and every account manually (which they generally won’t do, because what’s the point?), which ultimately leads to the end users having to play whack a mole with the bigots.
There’s no way to solve this unless we start requiring a passport photo with every account or a payment or something
I don’t have any answers for you. But I can tell you that I actively prefer APs implementation to Nostr’s because APs current implementation is safer.
Blaze@discuss.online 9 months ago
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Very true, ActivityPub is for building communities.
Nostr is for free speech and user choice but also sucks for building communities because the loudest and most mean people are the ones who dominate the space.
dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
That’s not true. Bigots can go into web view and still see posts, they have alts on other instances. I’ve literally had friends that this happened to on Mastodon and the perp was making posts about still being able to see their content even while blocked. You run AP, it is not a secure protocol it was never intended to be.
ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 months ago
That’s not true. Bigots can go into web view and still see posts, they have alts on other instances.
Absolutely, but nothing we’re talking about here will stop bigots targetting specific people. What we can do though is decrease the drive by bigots, the ones who just spew hate at whoever they happen to stumble across, or whoever pops up in a hashtag search etc.
You run AP, it is not a secure protocol it was never intended to be.
I’m aware. However the options aren’t “free for all” or “impenetrable security”. There is a whole spectrum of approaches between those two extremes, and that’s what we’re talking about here. Insisting that the issue is all or nothing doesn’t help
makeasnek@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
I’m sorry Ada, but you’re just wrong here. I don’t know how you are missing my bolded sections explaining how nostr and AP work identically here.
Every relay sets their own moderation policy. They can block users, they can delete posts. They can block other relays and “de-federate” from them. Same as AP. Early in mastodon/lemmy/etc relays didn’t differentiate themselves much on moderation policies. As problems came up on some servers, they started to do that more, now there is a big difference between different instances. Same can and will happen on nostr, there is already some differentiation, just not as much as it’s a smaller platform.
Same thing happens in Nostr, that relay will get defederated. A bigot can still post to that relay, but their posts won’t be propagated to other relays. All the bigots will filter into the few relays that allow them to post. Same as AP.
deafboy@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Thank you for your patience. I’d have lost my cool a long time ago.