Comment on We live in a post scarcity information society and we still haven't moved on from capitalism.

• Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Most people say that if we lived in a post-scarcity society we would have a need for capitalism anymore. I am pointing that out as wrong in the sense that there is an aspect of our lives that is already post-scarcity yet we still use the same capitalist system to distribute that information.

  Also post-scarcity doesn’t mean everyone has sufficient and easy access it means that everything can be produced in great abundance.

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  • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Because you can’t eat ideas.

    We can have all the free information in the world, the people who control the bare necessities still control the bare necessities and they can use that to keep people down and divided.

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    • Th4tGuyII@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Exactly. Information is a luxury - you could go your entire life without learning even a shred of information, but you'd still need to eat.

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  • aesc@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We don’t just use capitalism to distribute information. There are free libraries all over the U.S. It’s possible to learn most of what knowledge-workers need to know for free. Then you can seek employment for using what you know and not your physical labor.

    But also, economists consider humans to have infinite wants. Certainly society as a whole has infinite wants. So no matter what resources we extract from the environment, society always wants more, which creates scarcity, which creates markets, which, in a free society, creates capitalism.

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    • Eldritch@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Markets and currency have existed for thousands of years. Capitalism has existed for barely more than 200 years. Markets don’t create capitalism. However capitalism destroys markets.

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      • aesc@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Unregulated agriculture also destroys land. Just because something has negative effects over long-term unregulated use doesn’t mean it should be abolished despite the positive effects. Just because a system is older than another doesn’t mean it’s superior. Or do you yearn for serfdom?

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    • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Markets aren’t Capitalism. You can have non-Capitalist markets, such as ones made up of Worker Co-ops.

      You can have a market-based economy without exploitation a la Capitalism.

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      • aesc@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Fine. Factories are capital. If you want manufactured goods and the freedom to get a job you want more than you want to work in a factory then you want capitalism.

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  • DessertStorms@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    yet we still use the same capitalist system to distribute that information.

    ..they posted, on the fediverse.. 🙄

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  • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Some people

    Who?

    if we lived in a post-scarcity society we wouldn’t have a need for capitalism anymore

    there is an aspect of our lives that is already post-scarcity

    To be equivalent in your observation, wouldn’t it be enough if one aspect of your live wasn’t based on capitalism any more? Is there such an aspect?

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  • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I have 3kg of cheese in the fridge but no bread.

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    • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      go conquer some.

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