Comment on We live in a post scarcity information society and we still haven't moved on from capitalism.

• aesc@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So a post-information-scarcity society. It means something else with different word-order.

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  • Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah my mistake. I’m gonna fix the title.

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• OmegaMouse@pawb.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So you’re saying that everyone has sufficient and easy access to information? How does that relate to capitalism?

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  • Danterious@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Most people say that if we lived in a post-scarcity society we would have a need for capitalism anymore. I am pointing that out as wrong in the sense that there is an aspect of our lives that is already post-scarcity yet we still use the same capitalist system to distribute that information.

    Also post-scarcity doesn’t mean everyone has sufficient and easy access it means that everything can be produced in great abundance.

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    • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Because you can’t eat ideas.

      We can have all the free information in the world, the people who control the bare necessities still control the bare necessities and they can use that to keep people down and divided.

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      • Th4tGuyII@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Exactly. Information is a luxury - you could go your entire life without learning even a shred of information, but you'd still need to eat.

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    • aesc@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We don’t just use capitalism to distribute information. There are free libraries all over the U.S. It’s possible to learn most of what knowledge-workers need to know for free. Then you can seek employment for using what you know and not your physical labor.

      But also, economists consider humans to have infinite wants. Certainly society as a whole has infinite wants. So no matter what resources we extract from the environment, society always wants more, which creates scarcity, which creates markets, which, in a free society, creates capitalism.

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      • Eldritch@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Markets and currency have existed for thousands of years. Capitalism has existed for barely more than 200 years. Markets don’t create capitalism. However capitalism destroys markets.

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      • Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Markets aren’t Capitalism. You can have non-Capitalist markets, such as ones made up of Worker Co-ops.

        You can have a market-based economy without exploitation a la Capitalism.

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    • DessertStorms@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      yet we still use the same capitalist system to distribute that information.

      ..they posted, on the fediverse.. 🙄

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    • Carighan@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Some people

      Who?

      if we lived in a post-scarcity society we wouldn’t have a need for capitalism anymore

      there is an aspect of our lives that is already post-scarcity

      To be equivalent in your observation, wouldn’t it be enough if one aspect of your live wasn’t based on capitalism any more? Is there such an aspect?

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    • fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I have 3kg of cheese in the fridge but no bread.

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      • Deceptichum@kbin.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        go conquer some.

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• Coasting0942@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  lol. Tell that to the scientific papers you have to pay for otherwise they’ll run out and the researchers won’t be able to research.

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• wikibot@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Here’s the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

  Post-scarcity is a theoretical economic situation in which most goods can be produced in great abundance with minimal human labor needed, so that they become available to all very cheaply or even freely. Post-scarcity does not mean that scarcity has been eliminated for all goods and services but that all people can easily have their basic survival needs met along with some significant proportion of their desires for goods and services. Writers on the topic often emphasize that some commodities will remain scarce in a post-scarcity society.

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