Comment on Spec Ops: The Line permanently removed from Steam and other digital stores

KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It gets really murky and there is a question of intent but… I think it is truly elevated by how painfully average it is. That is the game that everyone was making and playing, right down to the overhead camera explosives shot with the mortars.

  And what made The Line “work” is that… it pointed out how fucked up it is that this is so normalized. We had been trained, arguably indoctrinated, by so many Call of Duty style games that there was zero question about how fucked up what we were doing was.

  Of course, because Gamers, everyone instead lost their shit and got angry that there was a false choice because they were being told they should walk away but weren’t given a button prompt and a special ending to do so.

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  • p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Of course, because Gamers, everyone instead lost their shit and got angry that there was a false choice because they were being told they should walk away but weren’t given a button prompt and a special ending to do so.

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  • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I believe that the game being mid was an intentional thing done to make you dislike the gameplay.

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• CharlesReed@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The licenses referenced likely have to do with the game’s music. During the The Line’s menu screen, Jimi Hendrix’s rendition of “The Star Spangled Banner” can be heard while the game’s soundtrack includes Martha and The Vandellas’ “Nowhere to Run.”

  The same thing happened to the first Alan Wake before they worked something out to get it back (even though it took almost a decade). Consequently, that's also one of the reasons they wrote original songs for the sequel. It's very much a gamble these days to license music for games.

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  • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Couldn’t they just insist on a perpetual license?

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    • KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Perpetual sync rights licenses aren’t unheard of, but typically these require an ongoing revenue split of sales or a big up front. More often than not, limited rights are used to save scratch and because its going to be for a set period, like 30 days (for an ad campaign).

      In fact, I wouldn’t be shocked if Take Two opted for perpetual, and decided they won’t afford a per unit sale and pulled the game to stop paying.

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      • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So basically music rights owners are too greedy and demand so much money for a reasonable license they have publishers can’t afford it? Sounds about right.

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    • CharlesReed@kbin.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you have time for some reading, here's a really great article from a few years ago that talks about licensing in video games and how complicated it can be. Depending on what exactly you want to do with the music in/with the game, a developer could be looking at having to deal with more than one license. I imagine it could get expensive very easily.

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      • KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Pyrocynical used Midge Ure’s cover of “The Man Who Sold the World” in a video covering Half-Life 2 or a mod of it, and that meant Midge needed a cut, the original writer David Bowie (RIP) needed a cut, Kobalt Songs, who owns the rights for Midge’s cover needed a cut, Warner Chappal, who owns the Bowie library needed a cut, ASCAP needed a cut, PRS needed a cut…

        You only get a small fraction of who owns what off SongView. It’s a removed. Pyro paid $24,000 for the sync rights.

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    • Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Or just remove the music or whatever…

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      • KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Unfortunately, there’s some thematically appropriate uses in the game and this is sometimes applicable in other media.

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• Feathercrown@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ooh a new word

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